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[–] [email protected] 55 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The ~~2004 2008 2012 2016 2020 2024~~ election is the most important election of our lives. Democracy is at stake and we need to hold our noses and vote for the lesser evil.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

If [current challenger or incumbent] gets elected you'll never vote again.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Pretending like our elections are currently normal as usual is absurd, we literally had a coup attempt for the 2020 election.

Yes, the 2024 election has democracy on the ballot and it isn't even a controversial statement to say so.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

not a single election in U.S. history has EVER had "democracy on the ballot." We don't have a fucking democracy. When's the last time anyone has picked a candidate? Year after year, everyone I talk to irl and online despises both candidates. Try to tell someone making minimum wage to go wait in line at the polls to vote, missing those work hours would be literally detrimental. Even if all of those things were disregarded, the popular vote has been fucking ignored in several elections for a convoluted system that was founded by fucking slave owners. even if donald shart "removed democracy" what would change? because Trump's policy is slightly worse than joe brandons? both of them will uphold the status quo, fund the zionist settler colony, lock up latinx immigrants in concentration camps, build a border wall, prolong the proxy war, expand the military industrial complex, continue a fierce grip on the imperial periphery, i could fucking go on. the dems had a presidency and a majority in Congress when roe was overturned and what did they do to try and stop it? NOTHING. no matter who wins, democracy will never be at stake because THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY. so try and tell me democracy is on the ballot again. fucking do it.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Votes aren't cast against candidates.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

They are in a two party system

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (12 children)

While there are two dominant political parties in the United States, every presidential election I've participated in has had more than two candidates to choose from. I'd appreciate it if you'd expand upon your point.

[–] Shiggles 8 points 8 months ago

Oh boy I’m sure this isn’t a question in bad faith asking how an extremely obvious and well documented flaw of first past the post works

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (4 children)

This is the democracy you're proud to support? michael-laugh

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (25 children)

Not voting for Biden and there is quite literally nothing anyone can say to persuade me to vote for him.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don't blame you man. That guy is a fucking joke.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To expand on my point even further, in any future presidential election I will never vote for any president regardless of what anyone says.

If anyone can figure out why, I'll make them an theoretical honorary mod of one of the channels I'm on.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'll throw out an unexpected guess— are you in a state where the electoral college means your vote doesn't matter?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Bing bong! Correct! And that state is Alaska, where the presidential election is already over while we're just over 1/3 of the way through our day of voting.

Which is why it is in the most literal sense of the word a complete waste of time voting for a president to me.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Alaskaball is in Alaska? thonk

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

If Joe stepped down and endorsed Hunter, I would consider it

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Better get rid of Joe then

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

spray-bottle this site is hentai free, looking for it? leave hentai-free

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Volcel police

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Eagerly looking forward to ticking the "against Trump" box in the ballot. Haven't seen one worded like that before

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (7 children)

The bickering in this thread is just the latest example of how broken American politics is. There are no good candidates, only least bad ones, and we are forced into these shitty choices every single time because the people in power value profits over human rights and dignity.

I'm voting Biden, but I'm not happy about it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Wringing your hands won't change the fact you're supporting a genocidal ghoul.

If Democrats get your support unconditionally, then that encourages them to completely ignore what you have to say because they already got your vote and that's all you're good for to them.

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