MikuNPC

Not sure why the lol, I totally agree with this. US democracy has flaws that should be addressed, big ones being gerrymandering, electoral college (which will eventually go away due to NPVIC), and our judicial system.

Recent events have highlighted on a national stage weaknesses that must be fixed. Let's get to work instead of throwing in the towel and allowing fascism to rise.

I'm aware of what happened in 2000, don't get me wrong. But my point is recent events have been far more egregious, dangerous and unprecedented.

Trying to compare the 2 is uninformed at best, bad faith at worst.

2000 - Gore decides to concede during a close recount

2020 - The big lie, an attack on our Capitol, fake elector plot, phone call to Georgia pressuring it to flip, dominion lawsuit, and more.

They do not compare, simple as that.

I sympathize, it's a flaw of our 2 party system. If one party goes off the rails the other one has a low bar to clear and it can stagnate real progress.

I said there's significant support on both sides, not insignificant.

I think your confusion is coming from the blame part, anyone who didn't vote for Biden who was able to has some blame imo. We're literally talking about a vote to preserve democracy, any subsequent vote is pointless.

But that's my stance, others may assign blame differently. As you noted, some people might try to put blame specifically on this set of voters, to each their own.

Pretending like our elections are currently normal as usual is absurd, we literally had a coup attempt for the 2020 election.

Yes, the 2024 election has democracy on the ballot and it isn't even a controversial statement to say so.

So they will help put someone in power that will remove fair elections? That makes no sense as a long term plan, imo it's more likely they are trying to push democrats a certain way but are not truly entertaining the notion of voting for a fascist.

the original post suggested not worrying about appeasing certain people on the issue as there is a significant support from all sides.

That's different than whether people who didn't vote for Biden can be blamed for anything. When democracy itself is on the ballot it's hard to justify voting against it, regardless of some foreign policy grievance.

Recognizing some judges are biased does not equate to "the entire judicial system is rigged"

It's not surprising Trump pushes that rhetoric given how many crimes he has to answer for, cases which are quite legitimate and not just political point scoring.

Everyone has different thresholds I imagine, I got tired of the marvel universe after iron man 2 personally.

You would think that but it isn't always so clear. My college had a sizable chunk, if not a majority, of foreign Chinese students and they were extremely patriotic/nationalist.

But to be fair maybe those who never left China are even more patriotic, I wouldn't know.

We should never deny justice because the criminal has a possibility of being elected president. Not sure what you're suggesting here.

Also he lost against Biden last time, seems even stranger to assume Trump would win. He may, anything is possible, but it's quite the gamble he's making.