Yep. It's a great racket. Open a mine with huge tax breaks, then don't worry about safety over output and pay fines much lower than any profits you might have made. When the mine is no longer profitable, walk away and leave it up to the taxpayers to figure out what to do about it.
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That's that "Business Innovation" Republicans were talking about back in 2012
Literally that, and it's sickening. FYI: I live here and deal with this in my day job (well, the technical/administrative side of it, anyway).
We have various reclamation funds that are supposed to cover these scenarios; there's several funds covering different types/scopes of reclamation. They're all largely funded by reclamation bonds (or rather, the forfeiture of those bonds when operators abandon a site) as well as various fees on coal tonnage and penalties (permitting violations, etc). The system wasn't designed for abandonment and bond forfeiture to be a standard business practice, and that's what's killing us (literally, environmentally, and financially).
Luckily, for the most part, the taxpayers aren't on the hook. At least, not locally. What tends to happen is sites eventually get so bad that they have to have remediation funded by the EPA's Superfund program (see: Minden, WV as the latest example). So yes, we all have to pay for it, but since it's federally funded at that point, the locals don't see the cleanup expenses coming out of their pockets.
It really is a racket, and everything in our state government seems to encourage the practice - we've had ample opportunity (years to decades) to increase bonding amounts, close loopholes, etc and we've chosen not to.
Considering how most of our legislature and our frigging governor have close ties to the coal industry, I'm completely stumped as to why we've done so little. /s
Luckily, for the most part, the taxpayers aren’t on the hook. At least, not locally. What tends to happen is sites eventually get so bad that they have to have remediation funded by the EPA’s Superfund program (see: Minden, WV as the latest example). So yes, we all have to pay for it, but since it’s federally funded at that point, the locals don’t see the cleanup expenses coming out of their pockets.
Oh great, so all of us in the other 49 states who didn't even have an opportunity to vote against your grifting politicians get to foot the bill.
Yep! That's the grift.
Same as Texan and Albertan oil wells.
Gov'ts just don't give a shit about people.
But jobs! Jobs! Jobs!
What's so amusing, in a sickening, depressing way, is how West Virginia markets itself as a vast and beautiful natural utopian playground for the rich retirees out of northern Virginia and DC. Go just a bit deeper west and south into that state and it looks like the hellish barren embodiment of greed and evil.
I've only been to West Virginia once. I only drove through it. It must have been those parts of the state because I tried to get through it as fast as possible. It was the ugliest countryside I'd ever seen. Just mountaintop after mountaintop flattened down with big coal seams sticking out everywhere on the sides and chunks of it at the tops. Not one tree. Even Kansas and Oklahoma have trees and they're big plains.
Ok I have no idea where you drove through, but the vast majority of the state is woodland and wetland. I spent my childhood summers just literally wandering around the woods all day with neighborhood kids while our parents were at work.
You were in a strip mining area.
This would be where-
Yep, that's a strip mine
I posted the picture before you made your edit. Or at least before I saw it.
And there were basically all strip mines through the part of the state I drove through.
West Virginia has a lot of both but more and more strip mines as time goes on. Mountaintop removal is a 21st century practice. Depending on your route through the state you see either pristine wilderness that screams to the soul to wander into or a desolate hellscape.
They 100% will get stuck with the mess. Already are. The mining companies can just reorganize or declare bankruptcy if pressed. I feel like it's the same thing with the fracking industry, perhaps it can be done safely but who is there every day to ensure it is, and who is left with the polluted groundwater once the company is done pumping the gas?
Privatize profits, socialize losses.