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Russia warns of tension as Finland shuts last border crossing (www.bbc.com)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Finland has closed the last crossing on its long Russian border, prompting the Kremlin to condemn an "absolutely redundant measure".

The northern crossing at Raja-Jooseppi closed for two weeks at 14:00 (12:00 GMT) on Wednesday, after Helsinki accused Russia of channelling asylum seekers towards Finland.

Finland says it has become the target of a Russian "hybrid operation".

Some 900 asylum seekers have crossed the border this month.

The influx is dramatically higher than the previous number of barely one a day and Finland's border guard says before August 2023 Russian authorities barred foreign citizens from travelling to the area without the necessary visas.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 8 months ago (1 children)

1 - Russia tries to force migrants into Finland.

2 - Finland closes borders.

3 - Russia forced to accept migrants.

Perfect outcome.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well more like Russia leaves them to die out in the wilderness.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

...in the wilderness of a ruzzi war battalion in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Russia warns of tension

They really don't have a clue do they.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

3 years ago people might have considered irritating Russia a concerning foreign policy strategy.

It's now clear that they have, although large, limited capacity to project force.

If NATO would stop fucking around, this shit could be dealt with within a week.

Push Russian forces 25 miles further back into Russian territory and make that DMZ.

Walk all over Putin.Hes not worth respecting.

[+] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (4 children)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

IF one of their ICBMs still work. At this point I am convinced ever single one have been sold off on the black market and Russia only owns replicas filled with potatoes and wheat.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Unlikely. When the soviet union collapsed the man in charge of their nuclear program got a powerful role and put a lot of money into the nuclear program. While we cannot know how much went to corruption, odds are enough remained to keep many ICBMs working. Plus there are by treaty inspections of what they have - while the results of those are classified, people who have access to those reports are acting as if they think the ICBMs still work.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Until recently, there were inspections.
Here's a statement from June 2023 when the inspections stopped.
https://www.state.gov/russian-noncompliance-with-and-invalid-suspension-of-the-new-start-treaty/

Likely if any prior inspection showed only corn and potato in warhead, that would of been the mother of all global clapbacks the first time he threatened nukes.
So it is safe to have belief that at least one of their ICBMs is in working order. Even if that singular device is loaded onto a sub in the Arctic Circle.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Not really relevant, but where do we draw the line of first time he threatened nukes? As a Finn, feels like Russia has been making threats about their nukes almost monthly for the last thirty years.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not worth the risk though. Nukes being used in the modern world would be the end of the modern world, we absolutely cannot take the risk of Putin activating MAD

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

No fucking way an arms dealer wants anything to do with a nuke.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The thing about ICBMs is that you can’t actually use them. You can rattle your saber until your arm gets tired, but the minute the balloon goes up, your country itself will cease to exist.

So the Kremlin would have to make a decision between giving back Crimea and losing all of Russia. The war was sold as a quick stroll in the park - they didn’t even have their supply lines planned and they chose to just go ahead and wing it, which resulted in those hilarious pictures of 30 mile long column s of tanks and trucks running out of fuel.

Now what they’re dealing with is avoiding a loss of face that could lead to the same kind of government collapse that brought down the USSR. And the thing is that NATO doesn’t even need strategic weapons to make it happen. I strongly suspect NATO would go to war over Finland, and it would be a very one sided fight.

It shifted from a quick grab to try to steal territory based on the theory that they’d be able to just get away with it, to a war that will decide Putin’s fate. I strongly suspect that if he were to make a call that would end the existence of Russia as an entity, there would be someone who would do to Putin what Putin did to so many others.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

MAD only works if both parties care about anything but their ego.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente 2 points 8 months ago

I largely agree, but we would be betting a lot of lives on the assumption that our opponents will remain rational when the walls start closing in on them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

that's literally the only thing preventing a near-immediate end to the war, aside from putin surrendering tomorrow and sending everybody home.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Kleptocracy, as is in kleptomaniac. A government based on theft of resources.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

IT'S THE FI-NAL WAR-NING~

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Damn I heard the beat perfectly. Good job.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Good ~~job~~ GOB

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, okay Russia.

The ghost of Simo Häyhä awaits your first mistake.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Russia warns of tension as Finland shuts last border crossing

Is that some legalese bullshit, like, that you shouldn't microwave your cat?

[–] lurch 4 points 8 months ago

Go ahead russia. Make my day

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

"Police" in Finnish is "Tulli"? pfftrrr snicker

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think it's specifically border police. Tull means toll in Swedish and our border patrol is called tullvakt which literally translates to toll guard. The Finnish word for police is poliisi.