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If they were found guilty of all (they won’t) then he won’t have much of a legacy in the premier league.

We all knew they were cheating even before he got there and he was part of various scandals, being it with referees, corruption, players, shady deals and so on, even from his time at Barcelona and even form his time as a player.

I never considered him the best manager. He is the one willing to do anything it takes and to make his hands dirty, yes.

It would make all his achievements at city null and void. If you can't win within the rules, you are effectively a cheat.

I remember him saying when all this was starting that he would leave if he thought they were cheating. It's been obvious since they did cheat and it was only on technicalities they got away the first time. So his legacy regarding his honor, integrity is tainted for sure. Same with players.

Heavily imo

Hes not the one who cheated, he is part of the cheating.

Pep is one of the best managers in the world. Thats why man city need to cheat the money so they can afford the best.

Its like haaland. He still scored all those goals, even if the finances used to build the team were unfair.

In theory, it would depend on whether or not it can be proven that he was aware of and/or responsible for any of the violations.

In reality, it will be guilt by association. His ardent supporters will claim innocence, and his detractors will claim he should have known enough to stop it.

Great manager for sure, but I’ve always found the notion that he’s in the same bracket as the all time greats kind of odd. He might end his career winning more trophies than Ferguson did, but he’s not on that level.

I am biased but why would this taint anything?
The club have been questioned, not the manager or the players.

The manager and players still did everything they did last season, regardless of the money within the club. It has nothing to do with the individual achievements but the achievements of the club.

It would void everything that was achieved during the relevant periods. Financial doping is what it is, doping. If you cheated to win in a sport, you didn't win, and you may as well have not played at all.

Wouldn’t impact what he did to me.. spent similar to Man Utd in the same period and look at the difference!

Not at all.

He didnt actively cheat. He just worked with what he got and what the board gave him. His tactical skills arent in question and his job isnt to question the owner and how they do stuff.

Exactly like the players. De Bruyne achieved everything with skill and not because he bribed the ref or cheat in any other way. He and his agents made a deal with the board. How they pay him isnt his concern.

There's no denying his quality as a coach. It would certainly taint his Man City career though.

It'll never happen

It doesn’t matter, no matter what people have already decided to asterisk city.

On every post on here about city people already call them cheats and say they don’t care about city’s success.

The legacy will be exactly the same because people have already decided how they feel.

If there guilty people will just go “finally”

If there found not guilty it will be “corruption”.

Then the circle continues and the next club will be blamed because there all cheating in varies degrees (if you didn’t know)

I live in USA and city is my club I support since I watched the all or nothing doco in like 2017, also I really like KDB. So I will need to find a new club to support because I have no affiliation with anything in England 😂 I do like watching Nottingham forest too

The scandals are all about Mancini, so probably doesn’t change much from Pep’s perspective

I think he will be happy. So happy. So, so happy. You will see.

It wouldn't. He would still be the best manager in the history of the sport. No serious person would stop rating him, because that doesn't even make sense. Are De Bruyne and Haaland suddenly invalid too? Only people who already hate him, like r/soccer and r/PremierLeague, Brits, Prem fanboys and Madrid fanboys, they would obviously be happy and say his legacy is now gone and nonsense like that. That's expected, that's how team sports and humans work. Rivalry and tribalism and so on.

There's a reason why idiots and experts have the opposite opinion on everything. Because they're idiots lol. All the actual football experts in football like the millions of managers, coaches, assistants, players, football directors, scouts, analysts, journalists, etc already consider him the revolutionary best manager of all time, because they're extremely knowledgeable on football and his coaching and tactical mind. They're not going to change their opinion at all. They don't care about stuff like this.

If you're actually that level of stupid however then you also have to stay Messi's legacy is gone because of the Barca ref case. Which would expose how silly your opinions are. Messi has already showed the world he's the best player of all time, just like Pep has already showed the world he's the best manager of all time.

All of the titles already have an asterisk above them, they should be null & void when charged.

Not sure about the effect on Pep, but he is and always be the prominent piece of the “MCFC rise and fall” story yet to be written and told.

If found guilty????? City are guilty as fuck corrupt cunts

Out coaches every manager. Not sure how you can say it’s only the financial side that have made city, city. Look what he’s done with players like Ake, Stones etc. easily the best manger in prem since Fergie, no question.

Once a cheat is always a cheat. But people tend to have short memories.

How would it impact his legacy at all?

He’s entire legacy is that he takes the richest team in the league that’s loaded with stars and is extremely successful with them. That is exactly what he did at Bayern and Barcelona.

Just because Man City cheated to be the richest team in the league doesn’t change how we perceive Pep’s performance. We already knew they were the richest team in the league and cheated to get there before Pep joined the club.

How was Capello's legacy impacted after Calciopoli? I'd say his England stint was more damaging

Would it really change how we feel about his accomplishments? The Knocks against him are always the financial dominance his teams hold over the league, so finding out that the finances were fishy doesn’t really change that. I can’t imagine finding out that they used sketchy financials to fund the team changes how we feel about the on field product when we were aware that they’d spent a shitload anyway.

Maybe I’m just misunderstanding the charges.

I mean it's confirms what we already know.

He won when he had more money than everyone else.

Whether he had even more money than everybody else makes no difference imo.

This is kind of a two edged sword. Sure, I'd love to see the guy knocked down a peg or two, but IIRC, all this happened prior to Pep arriving. I specifically remember Mancini being named in some of the charges. However, in the same breath, if the before cheating hadn't occurred, would pep be there in the first place winning all this?

I think the legacy for him is there, I have to admit getting all those big dollar egos to play his boring...yet effective...style seamlessly is a feat to be lauded, but there's always going to be questions on how that legacy came to be. Add in the barca scandals and City might be all he'll have.

People are being really harsh here. You’re a completely melon if you think he isn’t one of the best managers of all time, or at least in the modern era. Yeah he may not have the official titles, but he still has his teams playing a brand of football that’s super entertaining to watch, and dominated at two other teams before City

He never had a legacy to begin with.

Pep’s real legacy:

Doped as a player.

Doping scandal in Spain while he was at Barcelona covered up by the country’s govt. (search Ramon Sequra)

Failed to win UCL at Bayern.

115 charges at city.

Still the best. No matter what happens with the charges he did manage and coach those teams to an insanely high level. His actual coaching, tactics and development of the game still happened.

He'd walk away unscathed to the next club with an endless pot of oil money.