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The envelope never made it to Judge Arthur Engoron, but caused an emergency response at the courthouse.

Judge Arthur Engoron, who handed down a $355 million ruling against former President Donald Trump in his civil fraud trial, was sent an envelope containing white powder on Wednesday, causing an emergency response at his New York City courthouse, a source with direct knowledge of the incident confirmed to NBC News.

The judge and his staff were not exposed to the substance — his mail is pre-screened on a daily basis and was intercepted before it reached him, the source said. A court officer opened the letter and powder fell out, according to the New York Police Department, exposing the officer and another court employee to the substance, the source said. The New York City Fire Department said the two refused any medical treatment. The threatening letter was first reported by ABC News.

The threat is far from the first against the judge. Police on Long Island responded to a bomb threat at his home last month, hours before closing arguments in the Trump trial were scheduled to begin.

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[–] [email protected] 127 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Someone is about to meet the Postal Inspection Service and have a very bad time. You do not fuck with the mail. They will find your ass.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Unless you're Louis DeJoy, then you can fuck with the mail all you want with impunity.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Oh yeah I forgot about that story arc.

I didn't realize he's still post master general. There's a Time article claiming he's been doing a lot of beneficial stuff now. But I honestly have no idea how biased it is toward any agenda.

[–] Reverendender 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He saw which way the wind was blowing, and decided to use his powers for good. I don't think he's stupid, just unscrupulous.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I got the impression that he's just opportunistic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Wow interesting article, really paints him in a different light

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Just an FYI, Biden could remove him anytime he wants. He won't. He has appointed enough postal governors to get a new Postmaster General.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I feel like it would be pretty easy to untraceably send a single letter. False return address, address written slowly with your alternate hand (or printed), dropped in an unmonitored street mailbox a few hours away from your home…how would USPIS find such a person?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

In that situation, they wouldn’t find them.

But in many other situations, criminals do dumb things like writing their return address.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Municipal or private CCTV by the mailbox? In the UK at least it's quite common.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Letter boxes don’t stamp the specific location in most places. And even if they did, you could just use an outgoing box at a large community, or someone’s house mailbox.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No, but the CCTV installation surely will.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The ones I mentioned pepper almost every London junction. In metro areas, there's also loads of private installations that can be looked at to help identify and track individuals.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, maybe in the police-state UK. But we don’t have that over here. And even if we did, as I said, they couldn’t narrow down the exact box in the postal code and if it was in a heavy traffic are there could be thousands of people dropping mail off daily.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Not in the UK.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There aren’t cameras watching every nook and cranny of my major metropolitan city. That’s not reality.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do you live in a major US city? Police 1000% frequently sepenia businesses for CCTV footage, and are increasingly getting standing access to existing cameras. And to a lesser degree I believe they are installing their own cameras, but I have hit my limit of finding sources for someone else's comment while taking a shit.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

This just says the police access cameras. It doesn’t say that there are cameras on every male receptacle from apartment complexes to individual houses. There are plenty of places without cameras to put an outgoing letter. I’m not really sure what you’re arguing about. I’m right

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Mail drop boxes are not in nooks or crannies. In a city you can bet every intersection and retail space has you on video. Even if you found the truman show magic spot where the cameras don't see, you still need to pass by them to travel there. Further, All corporate retail and most of the rest are using geofencing to track and advertise. If you enter their fence and are not identifiable you are now part of less than 1% of people who maintain minimal privacy. Which makes you stand out for anyone looking for someone nefarious. we are to the point that it is in the courts now to decide if a burner phone itself substantiates intent to commit a crime even. Some idiocracy unscannable kinda shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

You can place outgoing mail in anyone’s house mailbox and flip up the flag. The chances of identifying the specific house is next to nothing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

UK's one of the most surveilled countries on earth tho innit?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Printed? Your printer leaves a unique pattern on all its documents. Oooh

Dropped in a mailbox, oooh the neighbour across the road has a ring doorbell

Didn't turn off your phone? Ooooh

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Let's be honest though these people probably took a photo of them posting it, and now it's on up on twitter.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

My money would be on Truth Social or a QAnon/Maga facebook group.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

People underestimate how prevalent camera doorbells are now thanks to ring. At my girlfriends place about 75 percent of her neighbors on the block have em. Just installed a eufy for my mom a little while ago and she's super untech savvy. Her apt building also has about 60 percent door cams.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Super helpful tool with tracking bad guys...but also it's just so creepy and dystopian.

I was trying to see who a stray dog belonged to in my own neighborhood, and pushing the button and talking into these little lenses on every door was so weird.

Neighborhoods are now enclaves full of suspicious hermits...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

I just like the idea that somebody might be stupid enough to put their real return address on the envelope, and your suggestion is the first time that it's occurred to them that they might not need to do that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Agent Jack Danger is on the case.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

It’s pronounced Donger.

[–] mindbleach 4 points 6 months ago

They're like the FBI: armed forensic accountants with all the time in the world.

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