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[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Nah it's not that it's libertarianism failing it's just that idiots version of it failing

What they'll say when it fails or next time someone else tries to implement their ideals

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (1 children)

then immediately turn around and mock communists for saying something similar.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

But what will Lemmy communists say when you point out USSR and China?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

To be fair USSR after communism was leagues better than USSR before communism ever could have been. But it's not exactly proving much pointing out that an extremely unequal authoritarian regime is worse than a more equal but still authoritarian regime.

I don't think the comparison works anyway because this is a true example of exactly what most libertarians have wet dreams of, while with communism people try to use e.g. the USSR and PRC to discredit leftism as a whole (especially socialism) even though any leftist worth their salt would realize authoritarianism is bad and creates a dangerous hierarchy, which is why Marx and Engels specified their ideologies to be democratic.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente 1 points 7 months ago

I measure a country's success by the quantity of weapons they produce

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I don't think China succeeded because of communism. They succeeded because Rich Industrialists in the west did not want to share their success with ordinary people and hence shifted all their work to China where the government ensured a steady supply of cheap labour. Of course, this only worked because the Chinese population was so poor that what were considered bad wages in the west was significantly more money than they would get back home.

Now this kind of outsourcing of labour is what lead to countries coming out of poverty: what made them poor in the first place? Rampant colonialism by EU nations. You can see this in Africa, South America, Asia.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

He just didn't libertarian hard enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nah it’s not that it’s libertarianism failing it’s just that idiots version of it failing

That's what Communists always say, the only one they worship is Lenin cuz he didn't have time to do anything anyway.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente 2 points 7 months ago

He had time to build the gulags

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

True libertarianism has never been tried bro

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's been a while since I even bothered arguing with libertarians, but wouldn't they just point to Hong Kong and South Korea?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Hong Kong which currently lives under an authoritarian regime, or South Korea which is a somewhat participatory executive democracy birthed from the corpse of an authoritarian regime?

Neither is a hot spot of libertarianism. South Korea is peak neo-liberalism.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago

South Korea is peak neo-liberalism.

Common neoliberal W

[–] prole 5 points 7 months ago

Lol is this a joke? South Korea that's essentially a US military colony at this point? Yeah, totally libertarian.