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[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Definitely as a millennial I'm of the last generation that will remember arranging to meet up somewhere in advance and sticking to that plan (or rearranging over landline with more than a day's notice...)

But something I've noticed when I ask people in my team what their dream jobs are the younger people tend to say 'run their own businesses', 'work for themselves' etc. Whereas in our generation (in my circles anyway) that definitely wasn't so prominent. Maybe a side effect of seeing influencers making it big?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Just spitballing here, but the “dream job” question might also come down to the destruction of the middle class (and the recognition thereof). 20 years ago it looked a lot more like you could make a good living working for someone else, doing something interesting. Plus there was more trust that employers would “do right” by their employees. There were pensions and quality healthcare benefits.

Now all that (and the security it brings) has dissolved. It may not be Gen Z people wanting to make it big or be a celebrity, but a desire to live comfortably and seeing that they can’t trust an employer to let them do that. If the only way you can build security for yourself is by building a big pile of money, then people are going to seek that out.

Edit: and when I say that “20 years ago” these things existed, I don’t mean that they were still functioning like they did another generation earlier, but it was way better than it is now and there was less awareness of what was happening.

[–] Corkyskog 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I remember those times, those were the before or early cell phones times, where like half the people carried a phone. You would be at the restaurant wondering if Jon would ever show because he is kind of a flake... then Donny would suggest calling Jackie because she has a cellphone and is always with Jon, but then none of it matters because Donny's phone is shit because he has T-Mobile which doesn't yet have coverage in this part of the country, so he just carries it as a status symbol.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Also a lot harder for them to get jobs. It wasn't non-trivial for a lot of millenials either to much economic and mental desperation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

I mean yeah, I've been unemployed for a significant part of my working life. I guess you can also add to my list being the last generation encouraged to get a degree by well meaning parents and teachers at school 'because it will guarantee you getting a job for life'.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Definitely as a millennial I'm of the last generation that will remember arranging to meet up somewhere in advance and sticking to that plan (or rearranging over landline with more than a day's notice...)

This is related to an interesting phenomenon I noticed while chatting about this with my parents. The question "where are you?" was hardly asked back in the day. With landlines, you already knew where they are. The only time that question was asked involved payphones. And those barely exist anymore either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Maybe a direct effect of making work environment as toxic as possible through adverse management practices and work organisation.

Working conditions became a true hell during these last 20 years.