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I'll start considering his claim of being a "free speech absolutist" when he unbans the account that uses publicly available information to track his private plane.
FYI, he's still tracking Elon's jet, on Mastodon now. @elonjet
Yeah, I check in every so often out of curiosity. He took a 9-minute flight last year.
His aircraft took a 9 minute flight. Elon was not necessarily on board. Sometimes aircraft are moved for logistical reasons.
Funny, I never hear of large commercial airliners making 9-minute flights for logistical reasons? What logistical reason would that be beyond 'Elon doesn't want to travel all the way to that airport when there's a closer one?'
Aircraft are moved all the time for logistical reasons. These are known as "empty leg flights".
For example if you will fly from Chicago to NY, but your charter plane will arrive and disembark in Milwaukee. After disembarking, it will take a short flight empty between the two airports.
And all of this is transparent to the passengers. It's not like the charter company says, "Hey if you meet the plane in Milwaukee you can save us the fuel". Kind of like when you call a taxi, the dispatcher doesn't tell you how far the taxi had to drive empty in order to pick you up.
Yes, from Chicago to New York, fine. This is from one airport in the San Francisco area to another airport in the San Francisco area. Give me the logistical reason for that.
Elon arrives at one airport. Someone else wants to use his jet, departing from a different airport (Elon isn't the only person who uses that aircraft). The plane is moved empty from one airport to the other.
Why can't they just use CalTrans to get to the original airport since it's only five stops between the two and far less polluting?
The 5 stops on Caltrain between SFO and SJC is disingenuous. Assuming starting at SFO, you need to take BART to Millbrae and then Caltrain to Santa Clara and then a bus to SJC. The whole thing would take like 1hr45min if you timed a baby bullet express train perfectly. But yeah if drove or hired a driver you could get there in 40 min depending on traffic.
Because the passengers don't know where the aircraft is.
So for instance Musk might say "Gwynne Shotwell needs to fly to Austin on my jet on July 1." Shotwell says "I'll fly out of XXX airport". Then in June, Musk flies to YYY airport.
They aren't going to call Shotwell before her flight and say, "Turns out the plane just landed very close to you. Do you mind flying out of YYY instead to save us some fuel?" They simply reposition the plane.
So in other words, it's to be convenient to Elon and his cohorts. Which is what I said earlier. I'm not sure why you think that's justifiable.
It's justified because this is how professional pilots are expected to operate. Passengers are not supposed to deal with the logistics of their transportation.
For that matter, it's also how car-sharing is expected to operate. Imagine you took an Uber to your hotel, and the driver said "Hey, my next fare is two blocks from your hotel. So how about I drop you off there, it's just a five minute walk the rest of the way. Plus, it would save me from driving with no passenger for a few minutes, thus wasting fuel."
I think the vast majority of us would consider this unprofessional and respond, "No thanks, drive me all the way to my hotel". Which is why Uber drivers don't actually discuss their next fare with their current passenger.
Are you saying Elon and Yaccarino don't have limousines that can just drive them to the airport? Instead it's necessary to pollute more?
I'm sure they have limos. Their limo driver is told, "Meet A at B street and bring them to XXX airport by Y pm."
It would be very unprofessional for the pilot to call the driver at the last minute and say, "Change of plans, now you bring them to ZZZ airport, it's a little further away which means you'll have to leave T minutes sooner". Depending on their schedule, A might not even be able to leave T minutes sooner.
We live in a society where staying on schedule is valued way more than reducing carbon emissions. Another thought experiment: you are 30 minutes late to work. Your boss demands an explanation. You say, "I have a very good explanation, today I decided to bike to work instead of drive". That's probably not going to be good enough. You are expected to emit CO2 whenever it's necessary to stay on schedule.
Once again, this sounds like justifying pollution for the convenience of the rich.
It's not just the rich. It's everyone who takes a car to work instead of bike, it's everyone who takes an Uber or even a bus instead of walking a mile, it's everyone who demands that stores open on time and packages are delivered on time.
It's hypocritical to hold Musk to a standard that nobody else meets.
None of those are anywhere near as polluting as jet fuel. Which has lead in it.
It's still justifying pollution for your convenience. And a lot more CO2 has been emitted for the convenience of people who aren't rich.
If you live in the US, you are responsible for 3-10X the emissions of people in other countries. You can't justify that by pointing to Musk.
I see, so I can't criticize Musk for adding lead to the atmosphere for his personal convenience because I have a carbon footprint.
Logical.
Singling someone out for criticism when you do the same is the definition of hypocrisy.
But... I don't do the same. I don't put lead into the atmosphere.
You've never flown on a commercial aircraft? Or bought anything that was transported by air?
Are you saying those aircraft wouldn't have flown if I didn't specifically do those things? Because otherwise, again, not the same.
If that's the standard, then Musk is not responsible either. His aircraft would have flown even if he never purchased it.
Yes, that's very comparable. 🙄
OMG please let him overestimate his skill as a pilot
I doubt he pilots them himself.
Yeah that era of billionaire is unfortunately over. Now they just think they’re engineers for some reason.
Someone start telling him how much of a badass Tom Cruise is for doing his own stunts.
"Elron, Tom Cruise can ride a motorcycle off a cliff and pop a parachute! Can you do that?"
Thanks! I hadn't realized
And stops suing journalists for doing journalism.
So if I could slap an ankle bracelet on you and upload your location with a five second delay, on a highly accessible public forum, you would be okay with that? Haha.
Someone on Twixer saying, "Trans people are disgusting and they shouldn't be allowed in opposite sex bathrooms" Isn't the same thing as, "Here's where Elon's private jet is currently. Lawl"
Some of you got mushed dog food for brains.
Locations on ankle bracelets are not publicly available information. The FAA tracks every plane over U.S. airspace and offers that information in real time because it isn't classified. All the Twitter account did was take the specific information offered about Musk's plane and reported on where it went.
So you are not talking about anything even remotely equivalent. This is information anyone can find out any time they want.
Exactly right. Not only that, but Musk's location is not the same thing as the location of Musk's plane.
So instead of ankle bracelet, a better analogy would be, "What if you took the #34 bus to work, and I started reporting the real time location of the #34 bus on Twitter?" My answer would be, "Be my guest".
The thing about absolutism is that it doesn’t leave room for nuance. If you say you’re a bodily autonomy absolutist you need to deal with the fact that some people will wish to hurt themselves and that’s included. Free speech absolutism includes doxing, it includes everything. It’s saying “if someone can physically say it, I support their right to do so.” And if that sounds like an insane position to take, yeah usually absolutism is impractical at best and lunacy at worst. We know that what he wants is a platform where bigotry is welcome. We’re just presenting the reality of what it is that he claims to be.
Every time I fly my plane with my pilot's license I strap an ankle bracelet "on" (I admit I have to turn on my ADSBlol ) and upload that location with a 5 second delay on one of the most popular websites for aviation.
FlightAware tracks all the flights that I've ever made and there's an app for it.
Why do you think this is a problem? You might have dog food for brains.... 🤣
You’re missing an entire point here. If the law indicates what you’ve said, then I don’t get a say in if I’m okay with it or not. And if I honestly didn’t like that, and this is the entire point, I would seek to have the law changed.
If Elon honestly hates the FAA’s reporting requirement, instead of picking on someone who is just using the information, he should seek actual legislation to have it changed.
That’s the entire point. Elon is just picking on a person with the tool Elon actually has control over. Elon isn’t actually seeking meaningful legislative change.
Please do it but I get the Elon money too ok? And yes I also have Alpo for brains.