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First police investigation of Supernova festival also found Israeli forces responsible for some deaths.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Doesn't change the fact they murdered people deliberately.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (76 children)

Not saying they did or didn't, but we're still in fog of war territory. We know the 1200 include military personnel (who are pretty much fair game) and that there are many civilians who died to reckless IDF fire. Again, not saying they didn't, but that the whole thing needs more investigation.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree that an investigation is needed but Israel has been blowing up its credibility with every lie it tells and every civilian it has murdered. Who’s going to investigate and how are they going to be able to gather evidence?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm certain a lot of people who have investigated have been killed for doing so. 45 journalists lost in this 2 months of war.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's real weird there's still no breakdown of IDF casualties and civilians.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You act like Israel hasn't done the same, it's literally how they got their country.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Omfg it's not a dick measuring contest. You don't need a fucking asterisk when you want to say that massacring civilians is bad

I'm perpetually baffled by this whattaboutism. What the fuck you think anyone is going to say in response?

Like, "oh, shit, I GUESS IT WAS OK THEN"?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have criticised Israel for many years. How they treat Palestinians is barbaric. How the west has supported them in doing this is also barbaric. But what happened on that day was the fault of Hamas, there is no excuses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (12 children)

More likely the fault of a zionist government that's been paying the same organization for years. You can't say the fault is solely Hamas when Israel created Hamas and let them thrive so long as they were hitting targets that were convenient to Israel.

I do find it funny everyone who's saying it's terrible that hamas is killing citizens while Israel is in the West Bank right now pushing out inhabitants with extreme violence ie. Killing citizens in a country they're occupying and destroying then economically.

These things aren't at all separable.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Beautiful people just dancing and having a good time, many probably tripping, many rolling, everyone just there to experience joy.