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Dude. I hate emojis here, but all I can say is
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E: no, there’s more I can say. Start with these lists:
What Biden Has Done – Year One
What Biden Has Done – Year Two
What Biden Has Done – Year Three
And then get back to us about how voting blue doesn’t help. Christ.
It's too bad that not giving weapons to a genocidal government is not on one of those lists.
I will never vote for anyone not currently involved in calling for a cease fire ever again.
Not that it matters though, support for Biden has fallen to single digits among Muslims in the swing States, whose numbers are required to win those swing States.
If stopping Trump was so important, why did Biden through it all away to support a genocide?
How old are you?
There’s literally never been a good position on the fucking decades long Israel conflict that will please people. Most people smart and/or old enough know to stay the fuck out of it. It’s a meme, for fuck’s sake. There was a Rick and Morty episode about it several years ago, that’s how much of a meme it is now.
If you’re judging Biden by that, you’re obviously too young to remember the last time this volcano of shit erupted. Maybe look at other issues that impact American’s lives that don’t have to do with inane fantasies about Armageddon.
I'm forty fucking five. I want us to stay out of it. It's our tax dollars that are paying for the weapons being used. This conflict exists BECAUSE we don't stay out of it. If we did, Israel would have had to actually negotiate in good faith decades ago. You are directly paying to enact a genocide, because our current president is unwilling to tell Israel to knock it the fuck off.
Reagan stopped Israel bombing in twenty minutes with a single phone call. (Not that Reagan is a good person, just that the capability exists for Biden, he just chooses not to use it.)
I do remember Operation Cast Lead. I'm willing to bet that you didn't even know the name of the last time it erupted. You're so ignorant that you view actual knowledge and lived experience as ignorance, because you're so ignorant you don't know how ignorant you are.
Finally, this is not inane you fucking moron, you have no knowledge of foreign policy, and this very easily could erupt into a wider regional war that turns into WW3.
P.S. It doesn't matter what I think you fucking blood thirsty child murder justifying fuck, What matters is that a large enough percentage of voters in the mid-west swing states to be required for a Democratic win are Muslim. They correctly see Biden's actions as enabling a genocide against a people they identify with. As a result, their support has dropped down to single digit support.
Every other normally Democratic voter that wasn't Muslim could choose to vote for Biden, and he would still lose due to actions that would have been possible for someone as idiotic as yourself to predict. The Biden administration has done it to themselves.
I'm old enough to remember when democrats pointed out how horrible george w bush was while he was president (and rightfully so), but have only sucked his dick since then. Sorry, I don't trust democrats to save a goddamn thing. Your padded and fluffed up lists don't change that. I'll continue voting for democrats down the entire ballot every single election, but I'm not stupid enough to think it will change anything.
Wait, are you saying democrats have sucked Bush’s dick? I must be misunderstanding what you’re saying, because that’s ludicrous.
I haven’t padded or fluffed anything. I’m very critical of all politicians, but I’m also realistic in what can be accomplished within the system we have. I don’t love democrats, and in my ideal world we’d have a better system.
But I will not allow fascism to grow in the bed of misguided discontent, which is literally what you’re doing.
https://newrepublic.com/article/157607/democrats-keep-embracing-george-w-bush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dojOO3VZ4Jc
As for your lists, all it takes is a glance to immediately see the padding and fluff. For example, there are multiple lines dedicated to student loan forgiveness which is hilarious, seeing as Biden was a key figure in creating the student loan crisis in the first place:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/02/joe-biden-student-loan-debt-2005-act-2020
https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-student-loans/
So while he can brag about a few billions here and there freed up by enforcing rules that already existed, the student loan problem is now around $1.7 trillion and none of his policies address the loans that are currently being taken nor the loans being taken out in the future. In other words, he's not solving the problem, not even ones he helped create himself. That's really democrats in a nutshell: play along with republicans to create problems and then present themselves as "the thin blue line" that protects us by providing minor relief. One step forward and five steps back means you're still going backward.
That first link is ridiculous, because it’s not about democrats liking Bush, but about democrats pining for a sane candidate again as opposed to trump. I said the same things back then. I hate Bush, but at least he was sane. Your article isn’t about democrats liking Bush, but about them hating trump so very much, even the notorious Bush seemed decent by comparison, and that’s saying something.
How did we move from the 2A to you niggling over the student loan issue, which is most of your links? Do you even care about the student loan issue? I’ll bet you don’t, and it’s such a small part of what Biden has done, I can’t help but think you’re being disingenuous in bringing it up.
Come on, be real with me. What’s your real issue here?
A sane candidate like Bush, you know, the one who lied to get us into two wars. The guy who pushed for a border fence. The guy at the helm when the great recession hit. The guy who did nothing in the face of hurricane katrina. Yeah, very sane. If you paid attention to policy, you'd notice that Trump's policies are merely a continuation of Bush's.
I talked about the student loan issue because you asked how your lists were padded and fluffed up. You claim they're such a small part of what Biden has done, yet this one issue has taken up at least five different lines of one of your little lists and I noticed this right away from a simple glance. The only one being disingenuous is you, who clearly has some agenda when you've made a community just to hold your padded lists. Would you like me to continue picking apart your lists?
My real issue is how you're trying to present Biden and the democrats in general as saviors when really they're part of the problem. People are still miserable and out-of-touch democrats claiming "no, no, everything is great now because the president is a blue guy" are not helping. How about we get some real solutions?
Did you miss the part where I said I hated Bush? Why are you so angry about that? Why are you so angry at me?
We probably want the same things. I’m just not angry about it at people I haven’t met, like you. I’m not afraid of people because people I also haven’t met are telling me to be.
You sound like a smart person. Stop arguing with someone you don’t know on the internet and start thinking about why you’re being manipulated to be angry at people like me. I’m not trying to take anything from you, I promise.
e: feel free to reply in a day or so after you’ve got a reply distilled from whatever group you might copy/paste my comment to. I’ll be here.
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Trump would never kill the Jews. Not because he cares about them at all (in fact, if it were profitable for him, he absolutely would), but his biggest supporters are evangelicals who need the Jews to be in control of the region in order to bring on their Armageddon.
I am not kidding:
Prophetic Anticipation Builds: Unblemished Red Heifers for Temple Ceremony Soon Come of Age
There are tons of articles like that from evangelical groups. They legitimately think this is the end times, and they’re happy to see all of us burn for it. They publicly say climate change isn’t real, but privately they say it’s ordained and a sign of the apocalypse. They’re against people doing anything about it, and there are Dominionists in Congress and the Supreme Court. They’re going to kill us all if they can.
You literally didn't read a goddamn thing I said.
It doesn't matter who I vote for.
Arab-Americans form a large population in the mid-west swing states. This is a known fact.
They are a requisite component for the coalition that allows the Democratic party to win presidential elections in the mid-west swing states. This is also a known fact.
It requires very little intuition to know that Arab-Americans will react negatively to a person who approves of and enables the genocide of a civilian population group that they identify with.
That is what happened. Support has dropped for Biden among Arab-Americans in the swing states to a single digit.
Every other typically Democratic voting demographic group could vote the same as they normally do, and Biden would lose due to loss of a key member of the swing state coalition.
Biden took that action, knowing it would likely blow up his Arab-American support so that he could give weapons and support to a group that has so far killed at least 5000 children. If you sort them in order of age, it takes six pages to get to a child older than 0. That was what he was willing to destroy his chances of getting re-elected for.
I'm not arguing that anyone should vote, or not vote for Biden. I'm saying that a win is now impossible due to his administrations actions regardless of what I, individually, do. If you want to be angry about Trump becoming a fucking dictator, be mad at the person who made it a certainty so he could help kill 5000 children.
Unfortunately in our current election system, voting for the lesser evil is what we have to do.
Vote with your heart in the primaries, vote strategically in the end. So is the curse of our first past the post voting system.
And do what you can to help get the people who want to do positive change in your local elections into office. The only path to ranked choice voting is getting enough support in the states, there's very little chance we'll get it on the national stage without it becoming a reality on the state level.
Have you tried taking a loan out on anything lately? Minimum 8% interest rate for someone with the best credit score imaginable. I know doctors and engineers who refuse to buy a house right now because we had an incompetent senior citizen decide to hand out free money several times when the country was shut down and burn money on pointless foreign conflicts that we have absolutely no business being in. This country was prospering when Trump was in office and it will when he's reelected next year.
What? Trump handed out more stimulus checks than Biden. Then there was the whole pay day loan fiasco that was rampant with corruption and fraud with absolutely no oversight.
Yeah, after how many deaths did it take for him to act? Like some 3 or so months before he got off his ass. And even then, McConnell was right there to play his stall tactics. Oh yes, even in the thick of the pandemic, Republican assholes will play hardball - even at the cost of an American life or another.
That's a party you cannot reason with.
Did you read through those lists?
That’s a seriously myopic response.
I did, and it's just a list of him spending exorbitant amounts of tax payer money on the most random infrastructure projects. Bidens like the grandparent who goes out of their way to spoil their grandkids, there's nothing wrong with it up to a certain limit, but if we just let them be in charge of our finances we're all screwed. A Republican presidency is necessary to balance out the overspending of a liberal socialist president.
https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump
Donald trump ran the third biggest deficit in US history. Put your money where your mouth is.
You obviously didn’t, if you’re still spouting trump’s talking points.
Or you actively want fascism, since he’s dropped the mask, finally. So which is it – are you being wilfully ignorant, or ready to be an open fascist? He’s making his stance perfectly clear. We can all see it now.
If you’re still willing to defend that… I want to say I pity you, but I can’t. Fascism will lose, hard this time. We’re onto it. We see it for what it is.
I'm simply a centrist constitutionalist, which is the farthest thing from a fascist.
I'm not going to vote for a president that consistently attacks my right to bear arms with a new law anytime a mass shooting pops off.
And I'm not willing to vote for a president that keeps on funding Israels genocide on Palestinians. Trump has already said he wouldn't get involved in any foreign conflicts which is much more than Biden has done thus far.
I get you wanting that one thing. As a libertarian, it’s all about you, and nobody’s going to change your mind because you know best. Good for you.
Meanwhile, people with social empathy (that’s the actual definition of ‘woke’, by the way) will vote for all of your rights, not just the 2A. We want you to have full rights to your body and life, even if you hate us for it.
I want your children to grow up in a world where they’re safe and happy. One in which they can make all the own decisions after they’ve benefited from the best education and healthcare this first-world country can offer them. One in which they’re truly free. – intellectually, economically, and socially.
And despite what republicans and libertarians cry about, I will vote every time for people who will make that happen. And that’s never been republicans or libertarians. They’re lying to you. They’ve always lied to you, because they want power over you, and to get that power, they make you afraid.
I am not afraid. I refuse to be afraid. I’ve seen all of society – I’ve been homeless, and I’ve been at the pinnacle of a white collar career. My family had a beach house in Mexico in the 80s when tourism wasn’t much of a thing there. I hitchhiked across the US in the late 80s. I’ve seen some shit.
You’re being lied to. It hurts to admit, I get that. But some very savvy politicians are making you angry and scared on purpose. Please stop letting them do that to you.
I hope they listen to you. Chances are though, they have no interest in being swayed. The reason they are like this is they think they are more clever than all the rest. They have made their contrarian belief a part of their identity and abandoning that would cause them to have to change who they are.
Honestly, most of these people can’t be reasoned with. Even psychiatrists are saying it’s not worth trying at this point.
I was bored, but if you’re going to engage, I’ve learnt a few things:
Acknowledge you’re not going to change their mind, especially in online discussions.
If you must engage, talk to the audience reading, not to the person debating you. Then acknowledge you won’t change their minds either.
Every reply must be shorter than their last. Never try to out-talk them. They won’t read it, and you’re just giving them ammunition.
If you really, really have to engage, know when to stop.
I have a problem with #4 lol
Lol, "I'm a centrist." Center dees nuts, maybe.
Muh gun.
That's one thing I really do not get. The US is absolutely awash with weapons, some very high powered.
Yet it's schools and concerts that get shot up and not wherever crazy fascist orange people hang out. I'm not advocating shooting up anywhere but it's weird that it's schools and concerts etc
Well, there's two reasons for that. First, the vast majority of people who own guns are, shockingly, relatively normal, peaceful, law-abiding, not-the-type-to-kill-without-being-in-fear-of-their-life citizens. Those kinds of people don't shoot at other people because of a messed up reason in their head. Second, the individuals who have shot up schools, concerts, congressman baseball fields, elementary schools, grocery stores, schools, big box stores, movie theaters, more schools, college campuses (shocking, that's a school as well), night clubs, high schools, and more schools... wow, that's a lot of schools... definitely don't have all of their marbles in their bag. Aside from that baseball field with the congressmen, it would take a fair amount of skillful preparation to be able to even attempt an attack on government big boys. That sort of ability resides with the first group, while the will to do so resides in the second.
The one's who are crazy, fascist orange people ARE the one's doing the shooting.
Ok...
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/
Still voting for Trump? He doesn't even want a new law. He just wants to take away people's guns.
One comment after you called Biden
You’re not a centrist. You’re either arguing in bad faith or unaware that you’ve already drank ALL the koolaid. You’re echoing every single Republican talking point and dismissing all evidence to the contrary without actually reading it.
The infrastructure spending you’re being so dismissive of is a CRITICAL investment in our nation’s health that has been neglected by the last 50 years of for-profit governance and it passed with bipartisan support.
Inflation is nuts all over the world and not even remotely within Biden’s control. Interest rates are high because of a) COVID and the related supply chain disruptions, b) extreme corporate greed and, c) corrections for years of Trump artificially suppressing the federal rate despite numerous advisors telling him it needed to be raised.
If you’re genuinely concerned about the constitution and your rights, take a look at all the unconstitutional the things Trump has already explicitly said he would do if re-elected. There is no center position anymore. If you don’t oppose Trump, you support fascism.
The US has no centrists.
Democrats are right wing.
Republicans are far right wing.
This is a stupid canard. Obviously the US has centrists relative to its own domestic politics, and obviously that's what the idiot above is referring to.
Interest rates are high because of inflation. It's high in Europe as well.
Do you know the number one reason inflation is high? It rhymes with "Shmutin invading Ukraine".