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[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Relevant bit of information:

“Israeli army spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner told CNN the hospital and compound were for Hamas "a central hub of their operations, perhaps even the beating heart and maybe even a centre of gravity."

The U.S. said on Tuesday that its own intelligence supported Israel's conclusions.”

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

centre of gravity

For those who are confused by what "Centre of gravity" means in this context:

Center of gravity (COG) is a military term that refers to the source of strength, balance, or stability necessary for a military force to maintain operation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I guess its true then. US and Isreal never lies...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Good thing Hamas only tells the truth! /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This has nothing to do with hamas. In general, hamas is either a terrorist organization, or a military resistant. In both case, you don't expect anything from them. Most of the resistant groups or terrorist organization are not expected to tell the truth or be expected to respect international laws.

Isreal, is "recognized" state and government by many countries, they have trades and embassies around the world and part of the United Nations.

When they work so hard to show media "proofs" of a calender posted on the wall, a few guns in the MRI machine rooms, and no sign of it being the center of gravity and they get caught lying by their own videos they published then maybe we should consider them a terrorist organization as well and treat them like that. Maybe we should sanction any one sending them money.

If they are that confident they should show the world evidence, which regardless of what they found, doesn't mean they can commit war crimes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Here’s my understanding of what you said.

  1. We expect Hamas to lie and disrespect international laws because they are a resistance group or a terrorist organization.

  2. Israel is different because they are “recognized” as a state by the UN and should be held to a different standard.

  3. You believe the IDF lied in their PR videos and we should consider them a terrorist organization.

  4. We need to see more and better evidence to back up IDF claims, but regardless of what evidence they produce their actions are war crimes.

With that understanding, I would like to add that Hamas is also a political organization and the ruling power in Gaza. No one can hold a position of authority in Gaza without the consent of Hamas. Hamas also has offices and leadership throughout the Middle-East. Two prominent examples are in Doha, Qatar, and Cairo, Egypt.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just to be clear: your reasoning here is that if a murderer hides out in an American hospital its totally legitimate just to blow it the fuck up to get at him, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

No, that is not what I said and not what I believe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Al Jazeera cut the feed to a journalist interviewing a man in the hospital who complained about Hamas using it as a base

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Hospital based Hamas "command centers" are starting to feel like "al Qaeda second in command". Seems like they are magnetically attracted to ends of American ordinance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

It's not like this hasn't been reported before. It's sort of an open secret.

[–] coffee_poops 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah... and there were WMDs in Iraq.