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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

This response is initially persuasive but the line of reasoning doesn't hold in other cases. For example, let's replace gender with sexuality:

No one could possibly know they were "born" with a sexual preference. By the time they're old enough to have memories and conscious thought, they have already been socialized.

Now, we all agree that sexual preference is something you're born with. Analogously, if we reject the idea that lack of knowledge of innate sexual preference implies sexuality is a social construct, then we should reject the argument that lack of knowledge of gender identity implies gender is a social construct.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I’d make a couple points against that

1.We don’t “all agree” we’re born with specific sexual preferences. That’s not objective fact, it’s a hypothesis that can’t really be proven.

I’m Bi and don’t inherently know I was born this way. I have tons of personality and character traits that are impossible to assign to nature vs nurture, including sexual orientation.

2.Gender tropes change between cultures a ton, with various expectations and preferences. Differences in sex doesn’t just change by region like gender-tropes, humans are humans. Hence sexual preference based on sex and physical bodies is arguably more immutable