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To say something controversial: maybe listen to what they have to say and try to understand why they think what they think, instead of assuming that you're automatically right and just need to educate them.
I think its pretty weird if you say trans people are treated equally, let alone more rights. It's still a societal problem we have in a lot of places and in my experience all I meet that are trans have some sucky times because of other people...
To be fair there is an entire month dedicated to LGBT pride.
There wouldn’t need to be a month dedicated to pride if lgbt people weren’t discriminated against.
I'm just starting what the average person sees.
So it makes it equal because they get a "month". I get it. You probably don't know a lot of these people and i didnt use to either. But when speaking about their life experience, they have been shunned from most friend groups and yeah they all chill with like minded people cause you know there aren't any bigots there.
I get that if you were like me and you really arent a bigot, that it is hard to see the (daily) struggles and think well I dont see any discrimination. But like most people can amend to is that most have more struggles because they are of the lgbtq+ group.
Exactly. Most of us can't really know about it because we don't see it everyday.
All of my LGBTQ friends have a story or another of a scary situation, and I live in a very LGBTQ friendly place.
Saying there's no discrimination against them is either misinformed, or burying your head in the sand.
The post was asking about normies and I was relating what should be expected and the thought process there in.
Thats the issue though. They dont think, Ive tried asking them about stuff and they'll parrot things like "puberty blockers kill people." then I show them that study was wrong and they just dont believe me lol.
I think it's worth asking, on a case by case basis, if a conversation with that person is going to be productive. Are they open at all to changing their mind about any aspect of the topic (and are you)? If not, then all you can do with that person is be an example of a good, reasonably sane person who disagrees with them. Just my 2¢.
You are right though. Always be open for change in discussions. How else will we ever be truthful to ourselves and others. But this doesnt feel like a discussion.
Being a dick to someone will never be okay, except when they are being a dick. Conservative, progressive or whatever, idc. But its just a dick's opinion to hate trans.
So your only example is a strawman nobody believes?
People actually use "puberty blockers are harmful" as an actual argument so I dont think its that hard to believe.
Heritage Foundation (Youtube)
The Federalist
Western Journal
Texas banning puberty blockers and hormone treatment
Why are you linking the Federalist?
Lol you've already pivoted your argument. Seems you're the one incapable of good faith interaction