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Pope Francis on Saturday forcibly removed the bishop of Tyler, Texas, a firebrand conservative prelate active on social media who has been a fierce critic of the pontiff and has come to symbolize the polarization within the U.S. Catholic hierarchy.

A one-line statement from the Vatican said Francis had “relieved” Bishop Joseph Strickland of the pastoral governance of Tyler and appointed the bishop of Austin as the temporary administrator.

Strickland, 65, has emerged as a leading critic of Francis, accusing him in a tweet earlier this year of “undermining the deposit of faith.” He has been particularly critical of Francis’ recent meeting on the future of the Catholic Church during which hot-button issues were discussed, including ways to better welcome LGBTQ+ Catholics.

Earlier this year, the Vatican sent in investigators to look into his governance of the diocese, amid reports that priests and laypeople in Tyler had complained and that he was making unorthodox claims.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Only when the pope chooses to speak as god, forget the fancy term.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility means that the pope has the power as head of the Church to declare something an unquestionable part of Church doctrine. This was last used to declare "the Virgin Mary went to heaven" as part of the Catholic doctrine. The "infallible" part of "papal infallibility" means that the pope's decision on the matter is final and that is the end of the discussion.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not sure where Catholics got that. The Bible pretty clearly says Mary is burning eternally in hell for having premarital sex with the Holy Spirit.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Was it pre-marital or extra-marital?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Guess it’s both, isn’t it?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Yes. When he’s speaking formally.

When he calls the nurse wiping his decrepit ass “a hot piece of tail”… that’s not formal doctrine. That’s just his mortal opinion. I believe the official term is when he’s speaking “ex cathedral”. There may be times broader than that, that count, but it’s a pretty obvious thing when he is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh man but everyone tells me the Pope is so helpless and can’t stop child sex abuse in his own organisation.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Vatican is only all-powerful in theory. The internal politics of the Catholic Church unfortunately are still a big consideration. They can only send out so many inquisitors and upend so many clergymen before internal unrest starts spreading. The worst-case scenario for the Vatican is for there to be another schism in the Church.

Many of the Church's institutions are thousands of years old and the Church is the oldest surviving Western cultural and political institution. It has a lot of baggage. I am not Catholic, but I still respect that Pope Francis has at least acknowledged the Church's wrongs and is trying to nudge it in the right direction. There is so much inertia that even the Pope can only nudge, not steer. That's why the doctrine of papal infallibility is only used in the way it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I'm super curious how the various governments would handle a schism. If the churches of west america decide to break away, and the churches of the east decide to break away, but neither wants to stick with the other side, and obviously all three parties want to keep the land and buildings and everything else, how would the ownership of the various properties/organizations and all the bank accounts/employer statuses be decided?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Still, you can't question the authority of the Pope and call yourself a Catholic, it's impossible for the Catholic Church

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

That’s it, thank you. It’s…. Been a while.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The thing you put down your penis?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Nobody wants pain when they Ex Cathedra.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Ex cathedra, iirc (or something similar).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isn't it when he's acting as the Holy See, or something like that? I saw a video explaining it a long time ago, but I can't recall all the details.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Sitting on the Holy Seat, informally. That's where the word cathedral comes from: the fancy seat for visiting bishops.

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