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[–] [email protected] 97 points 10 months ago (10 children)

I have a theory about small phones:

I see so many people asking for smaller phones, and, at the same time, the sales aren't very good when companies give it a try. How can both be true?

I believe (from my anedoctal observations) that small phone users tend to be people who don't want to replace their phones just for the sake of getting a newer one, and use their devices for several years, resulting in fewer sales than expected.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You see so many people asking for smaller phones in the forums and places you frequent.

They do not necessarily represent the views of the common public. I personally could do with a slightly smaller phone because the compact size allows for easier holding with single hands. But, sadly, I have not seen folks around me deciding which phone to buy based on their screen size. Neither is that a priority for them. Simply put, our Venn diagrams do not fully overlap.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I see a lot of people around me asking for smaller phones, from my family to work and friends. Perhaps it's something cultural, I don't know.

But I'm well aware that our perception can trick us in so many ways, and can't speak for itself. I would love to see atual data on phone size preferences around the world.

Still, I doubt that there aren't enough people wanting smaller phones to sustain a market niche.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I feel like when there is a small phone released, though, it has compromises on battery life and camera quality that people might not accept. I think a lot of people who “want a small phone” want a small phone with no other compromises other than the size of the phone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I'm compromising on those things right now with a phone that's ten (!!) years old now. If I could get one running a current OS, that was between 120-150mm with a replaceable battery, headphone jack, usb c, and the ability to take a 1TB micro sd along with a physical sim, I would take that upgrade.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

True, geographic diversity is a thing. Smaller phones like iPhone mini or Zenfone didn't caught up in the Indian market. But, should demand exist for them, atleast some companies ought to be making them in some parts of the world. Sadly, that doesn't seem to be happening and that presents one less choice to the customer.

[–] Grass 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I prefer smaller phones but none of them have the specs I want. I'm never looking for bleeding edge flagships either. I just want a good enough camera, good enough screen, goddamn micro SD slot damn it, and flat glass edges with a bit of a bezel so I can put a case and tempered glass on. And whatever the maker needs to make available for custom roms to be possible because I'm damn well going to keep using it after official updates end.

They wouldn't even need to make a new model as frequently, maybe minor revisions to replace no longer available components. USB port update shouldn't be needed for a good chunk of time since c seems pretty great. There's probably a shitload of tooling and supply chain issues to work out even ignoring the likely toxic workplace politics though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

If they ever produce a compact Fairphone that would be it

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You meet them online, but they’re a vocal minority. Especially when a smaller phone means a smaller battery and worse camera system, two of the consistently top priorities for consumers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Could be a larger demographic thing. Tech enthusiasts tend to have lots of devices(tablets, portable computers, etc.), so they tend to like the smaller form factor phones since they can always use their tablet/laptop when the small phone is limiting. Those people are also the ones you see in these kinds of online communities. For a lot of other people though, they’re getting the big phone and then not having a personal tablet/portable computer at all. Those aren’t the kind of people that hang out online and talk about tech stuff though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The point I feel is that small phones have a small but vocal userbase and is not lucrative for smartphone manufacturers as more R&D is involved in the packaging for product which has a small audience

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

See also: manual transmissions in cars. I say this as someone who, until going electric, exclusively drove three pedal cars. People just weren't buying them, but toward the end it did seem like manufacturers were making it less appealing to buy them by only putting them in base models.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I also believe it's usually high(er) end model being smaller and people who want smaller phones want something cheaper. At least that's what's going on in my social bubble.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

On the other hand I was genuinely torn between the pixel 7 pro and the pixel 7a when I lost my Pixel 5 because I wanted the pro features but the smaller size of the 7a. Ended up getting the pro because the size wasn't so far apart to make much of a difference, both were massive anyways compared to the 5.

But I bought second hand open box so maybe I'm not in the demographic that matters to Google.

[–] sbv 2 points 10 months ago

Yes. I was shocked at the price of the iPhone mini.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm a staunch and unyielding small phone user and this does, admittedly, describe me. I used my LG Optimus (4.75" or 120mm) for something like 6 or 7 years and I loved it. I don't use my phone for games or video and just want something I can always tuck in a pocket (on women's clothes this means tiny). It was the perfect size for my hand. When it stopped working because of the 3G/4G change over I upgraded to the smallest, most decent phone I could find: a Samsung Galaxy S7. I am still using it something like 5 years later and I would never go bigger than this, it fits comfortably in one hand, is light, and the battery is replaceable and lasts me all day. It sticks out of pants pockets but fits in a coat or jacket pocket. I would be willing to pay a higher up front cost to get a new phone if it was exactly what I wanted though, about 5" with no bloatware, replaceable battery, headphone jack, and a great camera.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're just like me hahaha. My first smartphone was an LG Optimus too, the L70 model. I used for almost the same amount of time, until 2020. It still works, but I stopped using it due to the lack of storage space (2GB only) and older android version. I still think that phone is the perfect size, and would love to have the same model, but with upgraded specs. Then I had to get another one, and moved to Samsung too, but the A01 core.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah the older android version is what killed it for me really, as I would have even kept using it as a wireless device. I couldn't install my preferred browser, email app, reddit is fun etc on it after enough years. I even rooted it and looked into installing a new version of Android on it but couldn't haha. It was compact, comfortable to hold, but big enough to browse and read text or to use an onscreen keyboard without much trouble. I was really disappointed to learn that there just were no phones compatible with 4G/LTE running Android 8 or higher that size, not even cheapie ones.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I managed to install lineageos on mine and extend its life for a few years, but the storage limitation was the bottleneck, as I had about 600mb for all my apps and data. I still used that device for a good while, even after buying another, because that size is so comfortable to me. It was so sad when if stopped working after emmc wear :(

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I think you may be on to something. I keep hearing podcast ads for a t-mobile phone upgrade service that brags about offering 2 year upgrades, which sounds bizarre to me because I want my phones to last at least 3 years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Maybe it's about perspective. When smaller phones were the default, other phones were more of an exclusion. When bigger phones became the defacto default, smaller phones started to seem smaller in spec in comparison (mostly battery) while being at about the same price.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I don't want smaller phones, I'm just having a hard time growing my hands and pockets to keep up.