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By Henri Astier BBC News


Israel has suggested that the long-term aim of its military campaign in Gaza is to sever all links with the territory.

Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said that once Hamas had been defeated, Israel would end its "responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip".

Before the conflict, Israel supplied Gaza with most of its energy needs and monitored imports into the territory.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 84 points 10 months ago (14 children)

It's disengenuous. People complain about Gaza not having enough of its own water or electricity infrastructure and relying on Israel, but up until now Israel has required Gaza to get their permission on any new construction. So Israel have been holding Gaza hostage via water and now they're cutting them off and making excuses for it.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It doesn't help when the government in the region digs up infrastructure to construct weapons with and makes hype videos about it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (45 children)

Man good point. Glad the Israelis aren't using any weapons that are disproportionately more effective on a captive populace. The prisoners shouldn't fight back against their oppressor through whatever desperate means they have available. Please die and suffer in silence, Palestinians.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's very true, however I don't believe Gaza had sufficient water supplies even before then.

The whole issue is a mess, with so many bad actors on both sides.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Gaza has a sizeable aquifer and it's received enough aid where it could have and should have built desalination plants to augment it's water supply (but instead spent that money on Condos in Qatar).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (4 children)

*Have been routinely denied permit, it's been a thing for awhile.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/

You can blame Hamas for being shitty but they wouldn't have support without Israel being shitty. Stop trying to point fingers, everyone is to blame and no one here has the moral high ground.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

When the ruling party have publicly stated and action supported main goal in destruction of Jewish state, it is called security measure.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (22 children)

Destroy people's homes, utilities, food, etc, then pulling out and saying "not my problem" while people die from lack of basic necessities and medical care as a result of Israel's destruction and Israel does a pikashocked face while continuing to do whatever they can to limit aid getting in still seems pretty bad. Like, better than stealing the Territory...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It is a long term goal, not immediate goal. Having Palestine state (without Hamas) responsible for itself is a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Seeing promising things about a 2 state solution being discussed at the Cairo peace summit. Let's hope after the violence cooler heads prevail and we can see a lasting peace in the region.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I would just expect another militant group to take their place. Every bombing essentially creates a new radicals. Would you really expect Palestinians to just forget about all their dead realitives?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I hope they will remember why they have dead relatives. A lot of Germans died too during WW2, but they did make right conclusions.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

See people always say this, but it isn't some universal truth. Often people get exhausted and would prefer a shaky peace with a compromise over writing about random bombs and rockets.

The IRA and Ireland (I've often seen people comparing Hamas to the IRA situation, but just imagine if the IRA had been demanding not only a united Ireland, but they also wanted England, Scotland, and Wales too). ETA and basque country. Although there are a lot more extremist groups in that region that could take hold, I will admit. Which is why Israel is likely planning on a wider more strict dmz until peace can be agreed upon and sustained. And if it cannot, then Gaza should probably work on their Egyptian diplomatic relations and a 3 state solution is more likely here.

Because even if you want to think bad things about Israel's government, they are working hard on diplomacy in the region and do not want repeated war with Gaza to sidetrack it. They were supposed to have diplomatic talks with Saudi Arabia until Hamas attacked them. Already have them with several Arab league nations. A large dmz, Hamas removed from power, and Gaza being forced to work with Egypt might accomplish that.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Well it'll be a DMZ inside Gaza with a very hard border that nothing may cross so it will all be Egypt's problem.