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This is fucking dumb. Even in the very ancient of ancient of time, people were working to survive. They had to go out, and farm the fucking berries out of the bush and hunt deers and what not. If you couldn't do that, I don't think you could be a part of the society. And then, another fucking tribes comes in and try to fuck you up.
What a fucking stupid statement to say. Nothing is free. Even if you remove everyone and everything, you still have to work to survive. And what a good way to survive than to be in a society that separates this burden. Some people farm, some people defends, some people heals and some people educate. Woooow, such a free tribe, they have to work to survive.
You're right that people need to work. I think you're reading something that's not there.
The point is that we need a physical place to exist, to sleep, to work. And since all physical places are already owned, in addition to the work we normally would have to do, we now have to pay a portion of our labor to people who own things. And sure, after we've been working a bit we start to own things too. But it's an uneven playing field. If you didn't come into the world owning, you can be denied work. You can be made homeless.
If we don't want the world to devolve back to the scenario you described where another tribe comes and takes what you've worked for by force, we should guarantee a base level of human needs being met.
It's not wrong that our basic needs are exploited by others, but it is wrong to say that we're the only species who pays to exist. All life must "pay" by expending energy to find food and shelter. We've just developed a system where we earn imaginary currency to buy things instead of having to go out and do all the work necessary to stay alive ourselves.
The sentence "we are the only species that pay to survive" is the most stupid argument one can make for UBI. That's what is upsetting. Maybe UBI is a good idea, maybe not. But this argument is just not convincing, at best, it feels like a joke. What I'm saying is, we will always have to work to survive, no matter what.
I agree that our society are way too individualistic. We don't care about each other anymore. It's as if we don't need society anymore these days. We take a lot of thing that society give us for granted and we don't even realize it.
The scenario they described demonstrably never existed in humanity until hoarding of money and power by individuals became a thing (so feudalism then capitalism).
That's actually not true. Raiding parties for slave labor has existed since neolithic times.
No no no, that can't be true, the root of all evil is capitalism!
What is this history revision bullshit lol ? Read a book sir.
Also, claiming land is what all territorial animals do. They maintain high resource areas with violence. We are not so different. Nature is scarry.
The first sentence really throws it off. UBI might be a good idea, but it’s not because we’re somehow unique in the animal kingdom.
That's what I"me saying. The first senyetis ridiculous. It's not serious.
If society will entitle me to go out and take anything I need or kill any animal I see, you'd have a point. The social contract of "private property" is only equitable between the rich and poor if there is some counteracting element in society that prevents people from suffering from the things they would be able to take on their own in the lack.
Further, there's a sort of problem when you compare present society with past society. We've been working for thousands of years to make each generation live better than the last. Hunger, especially childhood hunger, should hit zero by now.
And those of us who are disabled and can't work to survive...?
Society will help you ? That's what it is here for. Everyone has strength and weakness, even a disabled person.
A disabled person would surely die on his own or in the ancient tribes time.
Where is that society to help me? In the form of very small social security checks and lifelong poverty?
Are you starving and homeless despite not being able to provide for yourself? If no, society somehow helped.
Literally bullshit you could easily look up and debunk for yourself in about 5 minutes (here, I'll even save you making any effort and share this link again https://theconversation.com/humans-arent-inherently-selfish-were-actually-hardwired-to-work-together-144145).
The fact that you in your ableist ageist mind moulded by capitalism to only see humans for the value of what they can "produce" for you, doesn't actually mean that any of the bullshit you've been led to believe (and are comfortable believing) is true, it just means you're a bit of an ageist ableist boot licking wilfully ignorant asshole.. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Not sure if you're functionally illiterate or just retarded but even that speculative opinion piece concedes that warfare came hand in hand with agriculture.
You are the asshole for not understanding that saying that we are the only species that pay to survive is the most stupid and not serious take anyone could ever fucking say.
You don't even know my stance on capitalism or what I believe. Stay on topic or get the fuck out.