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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it takes a dozen of us to wrangle the sheer amount of idiotic brainworms you have

[–] JohnDClay 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cool cool cool. Anyway, you were saying there are only Nazis in Ukraine command and not Russia's?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you really can't keep track of conversations in your head at least look at the context of each comment you reply to so you don't look like a stupid wall people are talking to

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

when did I say that

also difference between an entire army sporting nazi symbolism and russia having their planes' shot down

[–] JohnDClay 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are a few literal Nazis on both sides. Ukraine doesn't have any in the government or high command apparatus

Zelensky thanked and did a photo shoot with the Nazi Andriy Biletsky (leader of the Azov Battalion, said his goal is to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade… against Semite-led Untermenschen”); Zelensky also wears and advertises Nazi merchandise [1] [2]. And Ukrainian parliament and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine openly celebrate Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera (he has monuments all over Ukraine). So your claims of no Nazis in govt or high command are completely incorrect.

“Nazis on both sides” is nonsense, and before the war demanded every western source to support Ukraine, the Neo-Nazi problem in Ukraine was widely publicized and documented [1] [2] [3] [4]. Clearly the US realized how many Nazis there were in Ukraine to the extent that they lifted regulations on congressional funding of Neo Nazis when supporting Ukraine. Maybe before giving up it’s sovereignty Ukraine can try to remove its monuments to Nazi collaborators, purge Nazis from office, and stop being a U.S. vassal state.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I said that, not them. Notice I never said there are zero Nazis in the Russian state apparatus, only that "Nazis on both sides" dishonestly equates the problem with the more serious situation in Ukraine.

[–] JohnDClay 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Oh sorry, I thought you meant that there were no Nazis in Russian power when you said 'nazis on both sides' was nonsense. So your saying Nazis are in higher places of power in Ukraine than Russia?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Damn can you for a second think about systematic versus individual arguments? Nobody thinks there are no Nazi's with power in Russia (though the biggest ones were recently killed). It's about how those ideologies function in Russian and Ukrainian socio/political-economic situation.

In Russia, they are systematically oppressed, with many far right figures calling Putin jewish-supporting and anti-right wing for the way that their organizations are systematically kept down. There were celebrations of collaborators after the 90's that have consistently been stopped by police and people arrested for long times for partaking in recent decades.

Meanwhile, regardless of INDIVIDUAL Nazi's (which on this front is still many more, but I don't really care about that), Ukraine is incorporating the ideological functions of, and avoiding any critique of, the Nazi collaboration supporters. More people are picking up the symbols of Nazism, people are using the language and ideological underpinnings of Nazism to discuss Russians in orientalist and anti-Semitism-influenced language about how lesser and Asian they are.

In one country, such talk is dying off as it's oppressed away and in the other it's growing and becoming only more popular.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

So you're saying they're not more present in the Ukrainian government? I'd like to see your proof for this. @[email protected] has given you a great analysis with sources highlighting the involvement of Nazis in Ukrainian government positions. So far your response has been "well what about that mercenary?"
Stop being obtuse and cute about it, if you have some actual proof and basis for your claims, share it

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is your reading comprehension this bad?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

it's a moral good though