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[–] [email protected] 8 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

An important thing you all need to understand about the Filibuster: it's not the final vote. It's basically a vote to stop talking and hold a vote. So all the Democrats can do with a Filibuster is delay (perhaps indefinitely).

But as a wise Canadian philosopher once noted: "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice". What to Democrats gain by delaying this indefinitely? Without some action, the government gets shut down. All they gain is a closed government and a bunch of fingers pointed at them. Republicans know this, and will not give any concessions for Democratic votes.

The best move is to allow the vote, and then vote against the actual bill. They make their objection known, but still allow the government to stay open.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Didn't hurt the Republicans every time they threatened a shutdown when the Democrats were in power. And if the Dems think they can get some concessions from the R's by forcing the country to get hit, then it might be worth it to stop some crazy shit in the long run.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

They will get no concessions, because Republicans do not care if the Federal government shuts down. They want to drown it in the bathtub. Republicans are effective weaponizing the government shutdown because they know they don't care, and Democrats do.

However, government shutdown in general are very unpopular. When Republicans go there, their immediate popularity takes a hit. The problem is that American voters have short memories, and are likely to forget before the next election.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Thank you for being the most rational person in this discussion so far.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

I mean it did to an extent, but voters forgot by election time. Since we’re far off from one I agree with the overall sentiment though.

[–] lka1988 1 points 10 hours ago

But as a wise Canadian philosopher once noted: “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice”.

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Now it's stuck in my head.