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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (11 children)

The US will be spending the next several decades building their reputation back up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

The US is never more than 4 years away from electing a lunatic. Soft power is not really a possibility anymore.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Uh… I think it’s never coming back.

We had our chance to course correct, and didn't. And I suspect dems are either going to learn nothing and flop the next election, literally get suppressed by Trump, or get their own version of a "liberal Trump."

Our social media is only going to get more toxic now, and it’s already dominating public discourse.

I dunno where you live, friend, but do not assume the US is digging its way out of this hole :(

[–] interurbain1er 50 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Were you making the assumption that the US had a good reputation before that ?

Half of the world hated it outright and the other half was mostly just playing along because of its economic or military power and propensity to behave like a bully.

The only difference is that Trump is too stupid to do it quietly.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

This is a fair point.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It will come back eventually. The Germans were Nazis for a while and we like them now.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yea, but they were fixed by military, economic and political means. Nobody is big enough to fix the US.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The US is big enough to stop the US, we've done it before and I'm fairly certain Georgia is still flammable.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

It would be nice to avoid a civil war (that would be more useful to enemies), but if you go to war with allies, it starts to become less unthinkable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nobody is big enough to fix the US.

Time to split the US then? East US gets to keep Washington DC, West US creates new capital city in Oregon?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

Let's go with a compromise nobody will be happy with and say Fresno.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Unless “fix” means “into a totalitarian neo-Maoist state”. If anyone defeats the US, they’re not imposing liberal democracy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Germans are currently having a fascist resurgence right now as well. I hope their elections go well where they can form functional coalitions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Every coalition will involve the CDU/CSU (our conservatives) as the senior party. And their candidate for chancellor is already copying Trump talking points about closing the borders, getting rid of immigrants and cutting social services.

Even without the extremist right it's going to be an absolute shit show.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago

That ship has sailed. Long term partnerships and alliances are impossible if your country leaves them every other election cycle.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

No way that is ever happening. We are a dying empire, rotting from the inside out. Because of a massive amount of inertia, the decline is really only starting to become obvious widely, but we are well into the phase where the ruling class has given up and is just looting the carcass before it hits the ground. They have succeeded in distracting the general public from the dire circumstances for a long time, but things are so far gone at this point, that won’t really be necessary much longer. As we proceed to give up on democracy, the efficacy of political influence withers away. The real danger for the world is that we have a massive military infrastructure ready to lash out in increasingly desperate spasms as the organism desperately tries to prolong agency. It is past time for the world community to organize against the threat the US poses to them. This is just getting started.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The US has military installations in 55 countries, I'm afraid that very soon, they'll turn on the people they promised to "protect." Total global shakedown. Just like the American oligarchy will have no qualms about further dismantling public infrastructure and driving wages and living conditions of their own populace down into bare survival mode if it means they can become trillionaires. Plus, poor and desperate people make good soldiers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

This is really the most astute take I've read, so far.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All great empires go through to decline, the fascinating thing about the US is that it happened so quickly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not really. Usually the decline starts out slowly, but once it reaches a certain point it finishes collapsing very quickly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Well, the Roman Empire took about 450 years before to started to go tits up.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago

Even if sanity is restored next election cycle, I think at this point no one will ever trust us again knowing that in 4 years there’s a huge chance all hell will break loose again.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

Bold of you to assume this is a blip.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago

The US simply will not survive in its current form for another 20 or 30 years. Whether by slow, festering rot or violent implosion.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The US will be spending the next several decades ~~building their reputation back up~~ antagonizing the rest of the world hard for even the tiniest short-term gains of its ruling class, kowtowing only to China.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

Yea, one trump ~~salute~~ election is bad, but two shows that it was not a fluke :/

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Until the next insurrectionist fascist rapist turns up. They seem to like them over, say, having to make difficult choices over there. Except that the choice wasn't even that difficult to begin with.