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Summary

Donald Trump signed an executive order declaring only two sexes, male and female, based on reproductive cells at conception, banning gender-affirming care, and limiting federal recognition of gender diversity.

Experts, including Dr. Richard Bribiescas, president of the Human Biology Association, criticized the policy as nonsensical, stating, “Clearly, this order is not fully informed by current biological science.”

Biologists noted the order oversimplifies human biology, ignores intersex individuals, and conflates sex and gender.

Critics warned it advances anti-trans rhetoric and risks legal challenges.

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[–] Tb0n3 -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

But it's true there are only two ~~genders~~sexes. We are a dimorphic species with one side carrying large gametes and the other side carrying small gametes. There is nothing else. No other ~~gender~~sex. Everything else is just made up or neuter.

[–] ricecake 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“This reads to me as coming from people who desperately want the world to be simple — for sex to be a simple binary and for us to return to some imagined time when this was more broadly accepted,” [Dr. Josh Snodgrass] said. “The problem is that it’s not only science that shows us that human biological variation is more complicated, but other cultures do and have also appreciated this for thousands of years.”

Snodgrass added that there is one more thing missing from the executive order that belongs in all conversations about sex and gender: empathy.

“The authors of this executive order seem like they are trying to twist science to fit their worldview, but that this worldview is painfully out of step with reality,” he said.

If you read through an article with multiple doctors saying something, and then your conclusion is to be confused and wonder how they could be wrong like that, I have news for you.

Also, you contradicted yourself pretty quickly. First you said there's only two sexes, then you said there's male, female and "neuter". That's three. Do you think that infertile people should be prevented from listing a sex on their drivers license? Should they get to pick one? What bathroom do you want them to use? What if they're infertile and they have genitalia you didn't expect? What if they're infertile and they modified their genitals, which bathroom should they use?

[–] Tb0n3 -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Neuter is not a sex. It is a lack of sex.

[–] ricecake 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Biological sex is commonly used to reference reproductive function. You have listed three reproductive functions. Ergo, three sexes by your reckoning because there are three states. "Male/female/null" is still three things.

C'mon. At least make your trolling fun. Pretending that three things is two is boring. Share some weird ideas about where people you would put in the third category should go to the bathroom.

[–] Tb0n3 -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am not trolling I am trying to explain to you that no sex at all is not a sex. It is the lack of it. It is not a third sex. Say I have a full glass of water, then I have an empty glass of water. Not having a glass is not an empty glass and could be anything. It could be not having an apple and exactly the same thing. It is not a function of a glass.

Say you have a boolean. It can be true or false. If it doesn't exist it is no longer a value of any kind. That is the null. The thing which doesn't exist. It doesn't mean the boolean has three options.

[–] ricecake 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're not a very interesting troll. You keep going on about the same ”2=3" thing. If you have a nullable Boolean variable that variable can be in one of three states. If you have a cup holder, full cup/empty cup/no cup are three values.

Someone who wasn't trolling would think to themselves that maybe Doctors know more about physiology than they do.

You still can't think of a good answer for what bathroom this third sex should use can you? I think you should say we need to build a third standard restroom. Since, as you say, not having a glass is the same as not having an apple, this bathroom would be available to anyone who doesn't have a sex, which is to say anyone who currently has something not in their possession.
Ooh, or maybe anyone not producing gametes can use either restroom? Or would it be that they can use anything as a restroom?
That's a fun one. "Postmenopausal ~~women~~ persons are legally allowed to pee anywhere because stopping gamete production makes you lose your sex".

[–] Tb0n3 -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Obviously you don't understand the point. I'll just leave you to it. Good luck with that.

[–] ricecake 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You objectively suck at trolling. You're just giving up on your stupid joke before you can even get anyone really riled up?

[–] Tb0n3 -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can deny reality all you want. Most of the world disagrees with you and only sees man and woman. The genetics are XX XY and dead ends at rates low enough to not matter. When you're talking about how many heads a person has do you say it's more than one because there are a couple people with two heads? No you say humans have one head. Stop focusing on the freaks.

[–] ricecake 0 points 1 week ago

If I'm talking about how many heads a person has, I'll count their heads, not decide reality before I observe it.

You're still too stuck on that one bit though. Now you're insisting that a person with two heads has one. It's a fun twist but the same joke.

I really want to see you develop your toilet humor though. I know you must be able to come up with some stupendously baffling answer for where people who don't fit in your binary world view pee and what goes on their driver's licenses when you've dictated that there's only two options, and anyone who doesn't fit into those three boxes based on a concrete, scientific genetic screening we'll give to all infants along with followup to verify gamete production is insignificant to the point where we don't need to think about where they pee or what goes on their drivers license except for nothing matters more than where they pee and what they put on their drivers license so we need to talk about nothing else except for stuff that doesn't matter because people who don't fit into our binary are so uncommon that they pose an urgent threat to women, girls and their sports.

I really want your best material for where they pee.

[–] Loss 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Your middle school biology courses were written so you'd have the foundation to be curious enough to learn more; and yet here you are, no more educated than a child that still statistically wets the bed during a nightmare.

I sincerely hope you continue educating yourself, you have sipped from a spring and declared you have drank all the oceans.

[–] Tb0n3 -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Throughout the entire animal Kingdom, there is only two sexes. We are not fungus.

[–] Loss 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Again showing you didn't even make it to high school biology. Even in dimorphic species (which is so incredibly far from the only type in animalia) sex is never just binary. Chemistry is weird, chemistry in a highly chaotic system is even more weird. Dying on a hill made for children to stare at mountains is just pathetic.

[–] Tb0n3 -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sperm and egg. What else is there. It's not a spectrum of speg and erm or anything else but egg and sperm. Sex is about the ability to reproduce.

[–] chlopczyca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even if we accepted that definition (again, biology is more complex than what you learned in grade school), menopause or orchiectomies would make people neuter, meaning we're back to three sexes at least.

[–] Tb0n3 -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No. That's just two sexes and a null.

[–] chlopczyca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, 3 options for sex, ergo 3 sexes. A system isn't binary if there are 3 potential valid values, you can call it null or whatever term you want but that's still 3 valid sexes even under your definitions.

[–] Tb0n3 -2 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] ricecake 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And two plus one is ... ? C'mon, I know you have it in you. You can do it little buddy! Or will you just say the same thing again because you're not good enough at this to add some spice to your troll?

[–] Tb0n3 -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] ricecake 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Two! Now you do yours! What's two states a human can be in, plus one additional state a human can be in? I have such faith in you little guy!

[–] chlopczyca 1 points 1 week ago

It's invalid to go through menopause or other conditions that make you not produce eggs or sperm? Wow your definition of sex sucks, glad nobody serious uses it.