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Do yourself a favor and never watch Seinfeld.
If you take away the laugh track, it is astoundingly clear that the main cast are all just evil, narcissistic sociopaths, they never do anything that doesn't benefit themselves, and they have no problem at all ruining other people's days or even lives, their metric for whether or not something was a good idea or not is entirely whether it worked out well for them...
... ironically with the exception of Kramer, who actually attempts, from time to time, to do good things for other people which will not benefit himself, he just goes about them in often dubious ways.
Always Sunny just leaned into this, and made you fully aware that the main characters are sociopaths. They literally show the progress of how they ruined the lives of the people around them. That’s why I love that show. It’s a perfect example of everything not to do in life if you want to be happy and fulfilled.
What I also like about Sunny kinda like Seinfeld is you see the progression from the beginning in the show where they're sociopathic but still kinda sensible and how overtime they just get more and more unhinged.
In Seinfled, all 4 of them eventually inadvertently kill someone.
Wait really? That's the first I'm hearing of this. I used to watch a ton of Seinfeld back in the day but don't remember any deaths.
Kramer: indirectly kills Pinkis the dry cleaner and Marty Benson.
Elaine: indirectly kills Russell Dalyrmple (makes him suicidal after dating her)
George: indirectly kills Susan (cheaped out on wedding invitation envelopes) and Peterman' mom (BOSCO!)
Jerry: indirectly kills Fulton (literally makes him laugh to death) and Manya (the pony remark)
My autism knows no bounds. They actually have more deaths on their hands. I just don't have the energy to look for it.
Jerry Seinfeld making someone laugh themselves to death is rich.
Yeah. I could probably be bored to death watching his standup, but not laugh to death. That said, the show was kinda funny at times. Laughing Jerry and the rest of them, not at Jerry's jokes.
Amazing! I'm gonna have to look these up on YouTube.
Even with the laugh track, they are clearly sociopaths. Which is why Always Sunny in Philadelphia is Seinfeld on crack.
I mean, the show literally ends with them all going to prison for generally being pieces of shit. They're not meant to be role models.
Wasn’t that the point of the show? I remember it was renowned for being one of the first (if not the first) sitcoms where the characters were meant to be disliked.
Kinda I think. At the end they all went to jail for being selfish assholes. George was never a likable character but he was relatable because you see all your own worst parts in him (and then some)b and with Jerry and Elaine also you see that they see themselves as main characters. Kramer is actually less self-centered I think, but then he literally pinches pennies and schemes to make... Pennies
See, this is why I can't watch shows like The Office. My sense of empathy and justice kick in hard and I just can't laugh at what's going on. Instead I'm just cringing and dying of sympathetic embarrassment, non-stop, the entire time.
I can manage the US office but UK office passes my cringe threshold.
Me too. It is so paintful. What would dozens of people work to produce that?
It’s why many people didn’t like the finale. At the end, they basically shove it in your face and say “Look- You’ve been laughing and empathizing with shitty people. Look at how horrible they are” and folks didn’t like the wakeup call.
I hated it for being a clip show.
Yeah, same. I think Fresh Prince also did one of those every season after the first one and I just hated them. Like I just binged that season a day ago, why show me?
I suspect in the 90s it would've been a longer time since you'd last seen the earlier seasons of a show, but even then I imagine it would've been boring if you anticipate new content but have to rewatch old shit instead.
Same with How I met your mother. I had numerous people around me have their behavior completely change while watching that show, including my wife. As soon as I pointed it out to my wife she also started looking for it and noticed it as well. She refuses to watch it anymore because of that. It’s a terrible terrible influence on people.