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Vincent Oriedo, a biotechnology scientist, had just such a question. What lessons have been learned, he asked, from Harris’s defeat in this vital swing county in a crucial battleground state that voted for Joe Biden four years ago, and how are the Democrats applying them?

“They did not answer the question,” he said.

“It tells me that they haven’t learned the lessons and they have their inner state of denial. I’ve been paying careful attention to the influencers within the Democratic party. Their discussions have centred around, ‘If only we messaged better, if only we had a better candidate, if only we did all these superficial things.’ There is really a lack of understanding that they are losing their base, losing constituencies they are taking for granted.”

“We have set ourselves up for generational loss because we keep promoting from within leaders that that do not criticise the moneyed interests. They refuse to take a hard look at what Americans actually believe and meet those needs.”

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[–] Enkers -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

by letting Netanyahu finish it

That seems kinda unrealistic, no?

Roughly 50,000 (perhaps upwards of 70k) Palestinians have been killed in a little over a year, and if anything, the rate is slowing. The population of Gaza and the West Bank sums to about 5,000,000. The growth rate in 2022 was conservatively 1.75%. That amounts to 87,500 new people every year.

Even when you factor in Israel targeting hospitals and food to try to hurry the genocide along, it'd still take decades, if ever.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Counting deaths alone in Gaza and the West Bank ignores all the Palestinian refugees that have been forced to leave Palestine altogether; in either case, Israel wants to settle the rest of Palestine to cement their claim to it and control over it.

[–] Enkers 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ahh good point, it looks to be more of a 6% reduction in population if you include the 100k+ who've left.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/16/israel-hamas-ceasefire-whats-left-of-gaza-and-its-people

I'm certainly not denying that Israel's intent is to settle Palestine. Just that they even have the capability to do so within the next 4 years.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Just gonna say that the numbers you're using are direct casualties. When you include indirect casualties, such as the people who died to famine or disease due to conditions caused by the war you get numbers upward of 200k.