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Democrats in denial over Trump defeat, voters say: ‘Haven’t learned the lessons’ (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Vincent Oriedo, a biotechnology scientist, had just such a question. What lessons have been learned, he asked, from Harris’s defeat in this vital swing county in a crucial battleground state that voted for Joe Biden four years ago, and how are the Democrats applying them?

“They did not answer the question,” he said.

“It tells me that they haven’t learned the lessons and they have their inner state of denial. I’ve been paying careful attention to the influencers within the Democratic party. Their discussions have centred around, ‘If only we messaged better, if only we had a better candidate, if only we did all these superficial things.’ There is really a lack of understanding that they are losing their base, losing constituencies they are taking for granted.”

“We have set ourselves up for generational loss because we keep promoting from within leaders that that do not criticise the moneyed interests. They refuse to take a hard look at what Americans actually believe and meet those needs.”

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Dems lost, because Americans are idiots. There's no deeper meaning. Americans elected a con man for the second time. Con man, second fucking time. They knew how bad he is, because he already was president, yet they still voted for him. It blows my mind. No other explanation is needed, Americans are literally the dumbest pieces of shit on the face of the planet. I wish them the worst. They deserve what's coming to them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 minutes ago

There is a way in which you are right. Americans elected the worst possible candidate who will make drastic changes that hurt them in the long run, but also that’s because the system in general, including democrats have been unwilling to make changes rapidly enough to address the major problems of the country. So, they took fast, bad change over slow, mediocre good change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 minutes ago

If they were such idiots and so easy to manipulate then the responsibility still falls on the democrats for fumbling and such a supposedly easy demographic

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 minutes ago

That is true, if you ignore voter suppression, winner take all, the electoral college, disenfranchising felons, redistricting, and all the other bullshit.

Of course Americans still need to step up and solve the problems, but if all you can do is blame the victims ... to put it nicely ... it tells us a lot about your personality.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The small concession is that Trump is almost undoubtedly going to trip over his dick, so we'll probably end up with a blue wave of some sort in 2028. Nothing will change for the DNC and no lessons will be learned, so 2032 looks bleak as shit.

We need to understand that Dems are not going to fight for anyone besides their donors. They'd rather lose than take pointers from someone like Bernie

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 minute ago* (last edited 14 seconds ago)

I've been hearing blue wave since 2016, it's almost 10 years now. Where is this blue wave, democrats barely got majorities, but hardly what I would call a wave. It's not going to happen in the next midterms, just another razor thin majority where some of the supposed Democrats vote alongside republicams to fuck over the people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

we’ll probably end up with a blue wave of some sort in 2028

Don't worry, that will get fucked up, too. A bunch of blue dogs who the DNC supports will win and they'll claim that it's a evidence that progressives can't win.

I've been through this bullshit enough times to have learned the pattern

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Dems will keep losing until they figure out which demographics they can't afford to betray.

They thought LGBT and women would buy the last election and betrayed Unions, Nortenios, and Muslims. Like it wouldn't have a consequence, then they lost the southwest (Nortenio) and midwest (Union and Muslim).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 minutes ago

I think they'll keep backing their corporate funders until the people bail on them and all move to a different political organization. Someday.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Corporations and Republicans control the media. Putin deployed psyops on the social media of the bar room and bowling alley crowd. They controlled the narrative and will continue to control it until people wake up and realize they have become wage slaves who have a shit-hole standard of living.

[–] WoodScientist 3 points 1 hour ago

If Democrats hadn't made a bunch of unnecessary and unforced errors, then we could blame it on the corpos and the Russians.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And what are you going to do about it next time? Otherwise the same thing will happen again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 minutes ago

Same thing they do every cycle. Move as far to the right as possible and tell anyone who doesn't like it that they will be voting as instructed because the alternative isn't second worst.

It doesn't matter that they have seen that strategy fail twice against the same guy. Centrists would rather have fascism than move to the left for any reason on any issue.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

Trump pretty much won on optics alone and positioning himself once again as looking out for people despite not being true at all. Dems didn't want to address people's issues with the economy and did the weird thing of tap dancing for right Dick Cheney voters who don't exist.

Just stand for something, even if the risk of loss is high. It pays off in the end.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Trump won on optics because the optics on the ground matched what he was saying. Democrats insisted the economy was fine when people were hurting, and lost because of that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

The slimy bullshit artist politician that lies about everything seems to be what people expect, like it's the devil they know.

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