this post was submitted on 09 Dec 2024
596 points (88.4% liked)
Lefty Memes
4514 readers
33 users here now
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
Serious posts, news, and discussion go in c/Socialism.
If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.
Please don't forget to help keep this community clean by reporting rule violations, updooting good contributions and downdooting those of low-quality!
Rules
0. Only post socialist memes
That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)
1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here
Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.
2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such
That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.
3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.
That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).
4. No Bigotry.
The only dangerous minority is the rich.
5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.
(if you are reading the rules to apply for modding this community, mention "Mantic Minotaur" when answering question 2)
6. Don't idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
- Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend:
- Racism
- Sexism
- Queerphobia
- Ableism
- Classism
- Rape or assault
- Genocide/ethnic cleansing or (mass) deportations
- Fascism
- (National) chauvinism
- Orientalism
- Colonialism or Imperialism (and their neo- counterparts)
- Zionism
- Religious fundamentalism of any kind
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I think that makes you inconsistent
I presume in his ideal country there is no capitalism, and as such state enforcers don't enforce capitalism, but enforce whatever he is thinking of
I don't see how law enforcement and profit driven market are inseparable concepts.
It's entirely possible for a state to enforce laws without it being capitalist, however what I thought was a weird inconsistency was to posture as 'opposed to capitalism' but pro cops/military having guns without anybody else having them.
I don't relish the idea of people having to take up arms against the government, but I certainly don't want militarized police to be the only ones with them either.
If all the citizens are trained in the defense of the nation, then both things can be true. There's only so many fighters jets, tanks, and nuclear bombs to go around, so the stewardship of those assets is going to fall to a trusted committee anyway (an organized military), but that's logistics, not politics.
What does such a society do with conscientious objectors and Pacificsts? Hopefully value their option as a source of diversity and honor their choices.
Sometimes laws are bad and should be broken, if you're going to advocate taking guns away from normal people at least take them away from the pigs too.
Having armed police showing up to evict people (possibly leaving them homeless) because the banks not getting its payments is a pretty severe power assymetry.
With which part?
You're talking to a Zionist and genocide denier, they support the police.
Many such cases, also lol that they already got removed
Lol nice
In some developed nations, even the beat cops are disarmed and only their equivalent of SWAT response teams are.
Law enforcement are seen as community emmisaries, you can walk up to a British cop in a corner with no fear of them shooting you over a misunderstanding.
This actually helps those police to be seen in a positive light by society.
I see this as an appropriate compromise. Mitigates the potential for casual police shootings with only 1-2 law enforcement witnesses.
But American police, while paid a lot for very little education, don't want to take ANY risks despite explicitly being paid to. They aren't even in the top 20 most dangerous professions in the US.
https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states
They use their militarized equipment to shoot until everyone's dead, then ask the corpses questions, instead of doing their jobs and protecting citizens with their lives if necessary. That's why you get paid booku bucks with a high school diploma, at least in theory.
Clearly they believe so, since they see their job as shooting minorities for existing, even in their own homes.
And if they didn't want to be seen as such, they'd police each other.
Yes, the US does have a lot of problems like this.
Be glad you're not from here.