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And I'm being serious. I feel like there might be an argument there, I just don't understand it. Can someone please "steelman" that argument for me?

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[–] [email protected] 186 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I know people who voted neither candidate because Trump was horrible and Harris was pro-choice. Single-issue voters are the death of democracy. Full stop.

[–] freebee 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Only in a two-party system. Locked in a two party system is the death of it. At least introduce multiple rounds, to democratically elect the 2 contestants for the final round...

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

I said months ago that we were going to "single issue" our way to Trump 2.0, and I've never ever wanted to be wrong more than when I said that.

Edit: Updated with receipts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

My punk rock lifetime bay area liberal 45 yr old friend voted Trump bc Israel.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago

I could say something witty or sarcastic, but you've probably already thought something along the same lines. I'll just leave a facepalm emoji instead.

🤦🏻‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 day ago (4 children)

nearly all the single-issue voters on the right vote in lock-step unison, and have for decades.

democrats and progressives seem to just toss in the towel if they aren't getting everything they want, right now.

it takes time to build something great, it takes but a moment to destroy it all. welcome to total destruction.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Single-issue voters on the right, single-issue nonvoters on the left.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

“Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.”

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago

Yep, to all that, and I've often grumbled the same things.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Everything being 'dont genocide' just so we're clear here. I dont particularly think that was a huge ask. Nor do i think effective economic policies changes for the working class.

[–] agamemnonymous 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And we'll get to see what the alternative provides. Yay, you won.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

No I didnt we lost. We lost our humanity, we've lost our shared communities. The fact i had to spend the last year arguing with people that genocide is not fucking okay is evidence of that.

In no fucking way do I consider this outcome a win. There was no winning this election unfortunately and thats precisely the fucking problem. But alas democrats decided committing genocide, arresting their enthusiastic base for protesting, fucking over the working class, and shitting on the people warning them about these issues come voting are winning strategies.

😮‍💨🤷

[–] agamemnonymous 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And you decided lesser evil wasn't lesser enough? Now we get greater evil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Your words not mine. You failed to convince 20 million people with that argument, harris failed to convince 20 million people to show up using it after blowing a billion dollars.

Harris lost 25 electoral points in two states out of the fucking gate using it.

Harris lost more for completely fucking ignoring the problems working Americans are feeling at home. A minor tax break after food has shot up 20-30% in four years? Fuck off.

She fucking managed to lose every swing state using it.

At what point do you fucking realize how absolutely fucking stupid of a play that reasoning is?

I dont need to argue this point anymore. You want answers look internally. Not to me, Ive spent the last year trying to get you deeebs to course correct. You failed to do so and as result you've earned trump.

Insanity:

  • you
  • Harris
  • biden
  • dnc
  • doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thing is you can actually be radical. In a healthy democracy you need some small fringes to exert pressure, e.g. civil right activist groups and so on so that the government isn't able to just completely ignore portions of the population.

But to be effective as an activist you have to know when to put on pressure and when to unite. Malcolm X or Fred Hampton didn't go vote for David Duke just because MLK was a pacifist.

This was the wrong time to pressure because as always activists dramatically misread the levels of actual support for their cause and dramatically underestimate how much support the general populace gives the opposition.

Most people don't even agree on the very basic facts of reality or that such a thing can even exist and that for instance pretty certain observations made using the scientific method aren't just equally weighed to someone's opinion, how tf are you gonna expect to convince them of anything? What you gonna write some long post on it? Good luck - they literally cannot read.

Humanity is just a dogshit species. To even agree that we shouldn't stab ourselves in our proverbial balls with a proverbial milwaukee power drill - it takes like generations and most people are always for the status quo and the worst possible version of everything is the default we have to work from and with, it's just a cruel joke and it would be more existentially comforting if progress was outright impossible.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It was absolutely the correct time to pressure. Harris/dnc/biden miscalculated.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Huh? You really think that if they caved on Palestine they would've won? Most Americans support the guy who wants to impose Muslim travel bans

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine thinking someone needs to cave on not being genocidal. Jesus fucking christ.

  • students were arrested under their watch, a key demographic for them in a tight race. Students are often motivated canvassers. Their response to the outcry? There must be order. Get bent biden/harris.
  • they lost 25 electoral points in two fucking swing states directly related to this. In literal numbers codified in the outcome.
  • they completely fucking ignored the economic issues caused by corporate greed. Fun fact kellogs is charging over 100% more for fucking corn flakes than the store brand. CORN FLAKES.

Most Americans support the guy who wants to impose Muslim travel bans.

Sigh. You didnt do well in math did you? Tell me where did the 20 million votes for biden last time go? Trumps numbers are unchanged. Oh right, they didnt show up. 🤔

Never mind the fucking fact most adults dont vote. So no most Americans dont support trump. They just dont think either party is worth their emotional energy. Good job democrats! 🤔

And token handle the rest of your nonsense with the polling numbers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

students were arrested under their watch, a key demographic for them in a tight race. Students are often motivated canvassers. Their response to the outcry? There must be order. Get bent biden/harris.

Yes and most people support that. They see you as more unhinged than the anti-police protestors and think Trump must be onto something with demolishing the DoE if the nation students are protesting for who they see as Islamist terrorists.

they lost 25 electoral points in two fucking swing states directly related to this. In literal numbers codified in the outcome.

Source?

they completely fucking ignored the economic issues caused by corporate greed

Yeah that's socialism. They already lost the Latino vote by being too socialist. The electorate wants tax breaks for Kelogg's CEO.

Sigh. You didnt do well in math did you? Tell me where did the 20 million votes for biden last time go?

Some of them probably to Trump.

Trumps numbers are unchanged.

Are you an idiot? You're implying that these are the exact same people just because the numbers are roughly the same?

Biden convinced a lot of swing voters due to COVID.

Never mind the fucking fact most adults dont vote.

Source?

And token handle the rest of your nonsense with the polling numbers.

Token handle? Like JRR Tolkien? Did you have a stroke?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

source

Please see yourself to any election results site for Wisconsin and Michigan, look at the results differential, look at the 3rd party votes, then go back the the primaries and look at the uncommited numbers from the primary.

Source? (Most dont vote)

See yourself to any american census page, find the adult population numbers, then look at the gross voters for this election. Do some basic math and you'll end up with 25-30% of the voting population voted.

Are you an idiot?

Possibly but you most definitely are. You dont know basic well known facts about demographics of Michigan and Wisconsin, you ask for sources for literally common knowledge facts that are both widely reported and easily confirmed.

And no i didnt claim they were the exact same people you twit. I was pointing out he had relatively similar levels of total support in fucking aggregate. ~72mill.

Biden convinced a lot of swing voters due to COVID.

No, 20 million voters didnt show up this cycle because harris brought nothing to the tablento motivate them. In fact she mainly brought dismotivation via a genocide and lack of economic policies.

Token handle? Like JRR Tolkien? Did you have a stroke?

No, its the other person who responded to your absolutely trash of a post with a link to some polls.

Okay we're done here. Nothing productive will be had with furthering a conversation with someone as uninformed, and in lacking basic reasoning skills as yourself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only a radical speaks in absolutes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

..is an absolute statement in itself.