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Technically since racism is prejudice + power, we'd have to know they belong to whatever ethnic group holds power to know it's racist, it might be prejudice instead. The race actually does matter according to the sociological definition, that's why in the US they say only white people can be racist, in China it'd be Han Chinese, etc.
Edit: Seriously, I'm not making it up, if you disagree fine, but you disagree with sociologists not me (who is not a sociologist, but merely took two classes on it in my youth.)
Here see for yourself:
https://sociologydictionary.org/racism/
(noun) Any attitude, belief, or behavior used to explain and justify prejudice and discrimination against racial or ethnic minorities, on the basis of perceived inferiority.
By definition, any attitude, belief, or behavior used to explain and justify prejudice on a racial or ethnic majority is not included.
I literally got suspended for saying the stuff you guys are, good thing we aren't in American High School or College right now.
Absolutely fucking not. You can be completely powerless and still racist.
Unfortunately according to sociologists that is not true, those people would be "prejudice" but not "racist" with the only difference being "power."
I was suspended for arguing against it, they seem dead set on this semantic argument.
"They" want a free pass to be racist to others and a shield from it themselves. "They" are hypocrites.
The idiots who think equality means "fuck the dealer" should stick to playing spades.
...who's "they?" Sociologists aren't a homogenous group, some are racial or ethnic minorities, some are racial or ethnic majorities. Both my teachers were white men.
That's not how most people understand or use the word.
Right, but if you'll continue reading, it's how schools teach it in sociology class. I didn't make the rubric, I just got suspended for questioning it.
But this isn't a sociology class? It's not even a sociology forum. Words can have different meanings and connotations in different contexts. The academic definition of a word does not automatically trump the colloquial definition, especially not in non-academic circumstances.
Well, the sociologists have decided they're relevant to all human interaction, so there's that.
I don't even know what that is supposed to mean
if you got suspended, why do you keep defending it?
Wait, by "defending it" do you mean "defending my assertion that this is what they're teaching kids in school?" If yes; because that's true. If by "defending it" you mean "agreeing with the sociologists," well, "I'm not, I haven't done that one time, as I've repeatedly said."
What exactly are you arguing with me about, the fact that sociologists say it, or your incorrect perception that I agree with the people I keep saying I disagree with?
Racism can be against any group of people that are from a certain area or ethnic group power has 0 meaning for that.
And I know that many people in the US have some mental problems regarding political words and meanings.
Everone can be racists, Latinos and Black people are racists against each other in USA they also tend to be racist against Jewish people.
It sounds to me like you're racist against Americans
See, there is the difference, USA is a immigration country with no coherent similarities between everyone. Especially because I spoke about two specific group's and the fact that US public language uses words that had meaning but the average speaker ignores it and uses it as dog whistle without actually meaning anything.
Are there other immigration countries?
Don't say Gaza.
Canada
I'm suddenly realizing this probably applies to our whole hemisphere.
Most of the both Americas are immigration nations
Hey don't fight me, fight both my old sociology teachers and the sociologists who made that the definition.
OK, give me their number.
1-303-867-5309.
So they both have Jenny's number?
Yeah they live with her, you know sociologists and their polycules.
Ah great.
Oh no, sociologists! Good thing they're a hivemind, and all have the same opinion on definitions.
If your argument is that you're using the wrong word which ultimately means the same thing, then it's not much of an argument. It's pretty clear you're trying to downplay racism to be more acceptable
Well, every one I've talked to agreed with all the other ones on this matter, so again I say take it up with them, not the guy who disagrees with it who told you what their consensus on the matter is. Shoot the messenger much?
My argument is actually that sociology classes teach it, call your local school board and complain, I'm not in the education system, I can do exactly fuck all about it, like I said when I tried to argue I got suspended (and on top of that got my 360 taken away for a month for being suspended no less!) Trust me I'm on your side, your beef is with academia who are the people pushing the narrative. What, do you think I registered sociologydefinitions.zip or whatever that site was? Really?
I think you're defending this racism. That's not allowed.
It's the sociology department of academia pushing it, not me. I merely said "well in school they taught me this" (and "I got in trouble for fighting it" no less) and now we're here, calm down. If anything you should be outraged this is what they're teaching in sociology classes in America, not mad that I told you this is what they're teaching in sociology classes in America.
In fact, find me one time in this thread I "defended" their claims. I believe you'll find that not one time did that occur, I repeatedly said shit like "hey I agree, but sociology teachers would be mad at both of us, because like I say they kicked me out for sharing your opinion." Quite clearly I hold the same opinion as you, so I guess we're both defending racism then.
Do you think the comment is racist?
My comment or the concept of racism as seen by sociology? Because those are different answer.
Edit: Here, you still think I made this shit up? Have another sociologist source that this is indeed what they claim.
https://openstax.org/books/introduction-sociology-3e/pages/11-3-prejudice-discrimination-and-racism
Like it or not this is what they teach. And no, it's not racist for me to tell you that they teach this in schools. Ffs.
uh-huh
now give me the standard definition of racism
Yup I tried that one, they said
"No you have to look up the sociological definition."
"Why?"
"Because."
They don't teach the regular one in schools, they teach the sociological one, and you get in trouble for questioning it (if you're me, anyway.)