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[–] [email protected] 232 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Also that argument is dead on arrival because they expect you and businesses and the entire city to pack up and leave as if it would cost nothing. They also have literally said “just sell your house and move” but like TO WHO?! Who would buy that house if it’s in such a fucked area?!

If anyone ever says “just move” you know they have zero concept of the word “community” or “moving costs” or “nuance”. They just don’t want to address the cause of the problem because they’re, at best, cowards.

[–] Kecessa 147 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Sell their house to who Ben?

(For the uninitiated https://youtu.be/RLqXkYrdmjY)

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] agamemnonymous 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget the Submariner and Namor

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] agamemnonymous 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Ohhhh, Namor and Submariner.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago

Haha I literally had Ben written in but opted to remove it. Fuck Ben Shapiro.

[–] fsxylo 19 points 2 months ago

I will never not laugh at that. He spends so long chopping with the axe, and then drops the punchline. It's perfect.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago

They also have literally said “just sell your house and move” but like TO WHO?! Who would buy that house if it’s in such a fucked area?!

You have to sell the story that the area is a conservative utopia where people can live free of wokeness.

Then the conservative refugees from the satanic, communist areas will flock to you to buy your land.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

If its our area (Flordia coast)... that's not a problem.

Buyers don't care. They don't know squat about flooding or hurricanes, they just come in from out of state and get dazzled by the realtor and the weather and everything and buy.

Our housing market was so crazy houses were being auctioned left and right. Market value just keeps going up, even on the coast.

TL;DR if the area is superficially attractive enough, home buyers are idiots. I realize this is probably not the case in Georgia mountains, but it his here, and its enabling a vicious cycle where builders keep building homes in obvious flood zones, where they absolutely shouldn't.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

That doesn't fix the problem, it just changes who has the problem. Though I'll admit that idiots buying bad stuff from other idiots in a cycle until eventually one idiot gets their life totally ruined feels a little on the nose.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Not exactly. My coworker has been trying to sell his waterfront home for over a year. He keeps having to rehab it after flooding from storms and then right back on the market. No luck. Starting October 13th or something you have to start disclosing floods when selling, also.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was talking to some friends last weekend, and one of them said that they had previously owned a house on the Outer Banks of North Carolina. I said, "I love the Outer Banks, love visiting it, but I would never buy real estate there." He said, "Yeah, it took a couple years for us to figure that out."

Of course, the islands are basically giant sandbars, and there's the sea level rise issue. But I hadn't considered that the environment is just that much harder on houses - roofs need to be replaced more often, wood rots more quickly, and so on - and that's not even including a hurricane coming through. When the kind kicks up, which happens pretty regularly there, the house is getting sandblasted. The maintenance costs are much higher compared to an inland house, and I assume insurance is much higher, and so on.

They rented it out to vacationers to help offset that cost, but they found that they weren't breaking even - they have to charge competitive rates to get customers, but those rates weren't covering all of the major upcoming expenses.

But, there's still a market for houses there. I imagine the recent images in the news of houses collapsing into the water have to be having an effect, but the bottom doesn't seem to be falling out like you'd think.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No kidding, even inland salt is a menace. That + sand destroys stuff outside.

Florida has the added bonus of being a swampy jungle, which you don't really understand until you try to live there. Your landscaping, weeds, anything that grows, grows like crazy. Your pets will get all sorts of infections and parasites from the ground, even with all the pesticide they spray through sheer necessity. Mosquitos are even bigger than in Texas, and they never leave. And I saw a big alligator tear up our neighbor's porch trying to run/hide from us, in a very suburban area.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Broad brushes don’t work. I moved out of country in my early twenties. Moved back home in my mid twenties, then proceeded to move to three different coasts over the course of the next decade, selling two homes and most belongings in the process before ultimately moving to an inland city that’s a fourteen hour drive from where I grew up and knew nobody (I’ve been here nearly twenty years now). If the area goes to hell then yeah, I’ll scope out job options and quality of life in other locations, sell my house and unnecessary belongings, and move my boys and I. It isn’t nearly as difficult as people flap about. Staying somewhere until theirs no longer a buyers market is short sighted similar to people refusing to leave Biloxi when it was certain to be destroyed (one of the places I moved out of) and folks deserve what they get if they refuse to leave. I’d love for us to fix the climate and socioeconomic issues so difficult decisions didn’t need to be made but people burying their heads in the sand and refusing to look out for themselves and their family in response to global and societal issues will never make sense to me. Control what you can control but recognize what you don’t control and adapt. If folks aren’t going to take responsibility for the things they can control I don’t see any reason to fret about the things outside of their control negatively impacting them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Most people seem to have a particular brand of irresponsibility wherein they avoid their own problems by distracting themselves with those of others. It can work out semi-okay even, under some conditions like a spouse caring for someone who also cares for them in return, though ofc it's not ideal in the sense of not taking care of yourself. But very little in life is ever fully "ideal" so... I'm saying that at least this form of mental unhealth isn't as damaging as e.g. doing drugs can be.

And it can be predated upon by the unscrupulous. Which technology allows to happen quicker, and with greater reach (breadth of those affected) and depth (if everyone around you believes in something, then surely it couldn't be "false" now could it?) than was ever possible before, even with organized religion (e.g. Catholics seem to listen more to Faux News than to the literal Pope).

i.e., listening to those "in charge" is actually a good thing, and democracy is also a good thing (if implemented well), but listening to idiots who inflame tensions subverts those good processes, and converts the outcomes to very bad ones. This is why I fear that democracy itself might be about to fail, at least as practiced in the USA - not just bc Trump said that people would only have to vote for him once more and then they'd never need to vote ever again, but bc regardless of whether he wins, there is a huge segment of the population (something like 42%, although due to the Electoral College manages to control the entire outcome) that is pushing for that, and will continue to do so on the next ballot, and the one after that, etc. Plus digs their heels in every time they lose to control outcomes either way - e.g. the government shutdowns holding the budgets hostage.

So I am glad that you are responsible, and quite frankly even the idiots are trying to be, as they vote how they do bc their self-chosen leaders told them to, but we all have blind spots, some far more than others.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I mean, you're the one who bought it currently, just find an equal or dumber person like yourself, bam. Simple. At its core, this is basically how all products are sold.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You’ve completely missed the point about community, eh? And you know people don’t get to pick where they’re born or where their extended family lives, right? So they get born into these places and get locked down for whatever reason and can’t leave. Certainly they can’t all leave in one perfect unit all at the same time.

Also that’s not how all products are sold, holy shit. Maybe certain drop shippers, sure, but that’s not how it works.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can tell you the other thing people do as they grow up and that is develop their own views. Growing up in Texas, I didn't realize anything was wrong or out of the ordinary politically/ideologivally. My parents had their views which initially became my views since that was what was normal in my family and community

Getting older and more mature, I realized I didn't agree with my state or parents but I also didn't have the option to pack up and leave. By the time I was able to sustain myself and build a life, I had already gotten a job, a relationship, and wanted to start building my own family. Doing that meant staying where I was since my in-laws were in the same city and my spouse didn't want to be away from them.

Even if on paper to some people it is as easy as just sell your house and leave there are complicating factors. I don't want my kids to have to deal with hurricanes, power grid failures, intolerance of others, and everything else Texas has to "offer" but at the same time, its not so easy to just bail and start again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Can't really escape the power grid failures, but as far as hurricanes and intolerance go, there's always Austin.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The problem is that they have really ramped up enshitifying the public school system in the last few years. It was never great but either its gotten a lot worse or I have become much more aware of it in the last few years.

The power grid stuff is probably the easiest to fix with a solar setup but I don't know that I want to spend that money in a state I don't want to stay in longer term.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Not really - I am not there but from what I hear it has become overrun with a flood of people flocking towards it seeking the liberal utopia that it sold itself as (and legit was, and most likely still is) but the people there (surrounding it I guess) don't really want to make way yet still control things like what streets and bike paths are constructed etc.

So not everyone who wants to move there can really fit - there's only so much space in it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dude it's just moving, it's not that hard. People do it multiple times in their lives. Relax.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Moving is expensive. At this point I think most people are living paycheck to paycheck.

[–] brbposting 3 points 2 months ago

That’s funny and I’m sure you know this but for purposes of discussion -

Think about a couple common examples:

I would pay like a thousand dollars not to wash clothes by hand for a few years.

You see washing machines are like $500-$1000, you buy, you’re happy.

I’d pay five bucks to have a sweet dark tasting liquid in my mouth and not be as tired.

Cha-ching, Starbucks makes a sale.

So even rational consumers often make purchases when their expected utility/satisfaction exceeds the monetary cost.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Ben Shapiro is never going to get rid of hus beach house, is he?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

At its core, this is basically how all products are sold.

Imagine being so neck deep in the scam economy that you don't even remember that products that aren't scams exist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

To greedy investors, that's who.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

We’re rapidly hitting a point where the government is going to have to buy their house to get people to leave florida thanks to climate change.

Insurers won’t even insure houses there anymore.