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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Rules for not losing election*:

  1. Don't insult the intelligence of your voters by calling them double haters.
  2. Don't insult the intelligence of your voters by pretending that they won't remember that you supported a genocidal maniac. No, the opposition being worse doesn't excuse your depravity.
  3. Don't insult the intelligence of your voters by beating them with the stick of facism. They already understand what's on the line. Debating online is different from voting.

*Does not apply to conservatives who worship Trump

[–] newnton 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I very much don’t think your average person understands the threat of fascism or what’s on the line, I feel like that belief comes from being in a left leaning echo chamber.

Obviously anecdotal but the vast majority of people I know are not great about consuming news, are not politically active, and don’t believe this election will have the deep consequences that I do.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your first paragraph doesn't really make sense as those on the left tend to be the most keenly aware of the dangers of fascism, since

a) First they came for LGBTQ+ people (which was left out of the poem since it was written by a conservative priest who was fine with persecution of THEM) and then they came for us

b) it's always us that end up having to fight fascists alone since the liberals try to negotiate with them (or stay out of it at first and then join them like they did in Italy with Mussolini) and the others on the far right try to become their allies

Unless you consider Neoliberals left leaning. In which case you're MORE wrong, but your logic is more consistent.

[–] newnton 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say but what I meant is that I agree people on the left are most keenly aware of the dangers of fascism and if you’re surrounded by mostly them (aka in a left leaning echo chamber) then you’ll believe that most people are aware of the threat and take it seriously.

Unfortunately in my experience most people outside of the left (which is most people in this country) don’t share that awareness and therefore do not take the threat as seriously as they should

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

*Does not apply to conservatives who worship Trump

As a purely strategical choice, I would say that insulting their intelligence won't help. However right it would be.