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Who would have thought, adding a private profit incentive would mean overall prices go up?
You're supposed to be smarter than us Canada!
Not Alberta
Ah, is Alberta like Alabama?
Yes, but it really wants to be like texas
I more often hear "Canada's Texas".
Lol! What gave you that idea? We signed NAFTA after all.
Privatization in a nutshell.
But hey! I have this GREAT idea for faster medical services!
And transport!
And internet!!!
And schools!!!!!!!
And utilities!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You keep that up and I'm going to mail you a brick.
And brick mailing!
That will be $25 in postage, $30 in shipping and handling, $35 for insurance, and $15 cause we can fucking charge whatever you we want.
Thank you for mailing with us with your prized possessions.
Don't forget the $10 "convenience fee" because you didn't talk to an actual human employee, thus saving the company money, so you have to pay more for that convenience
Every single time
It's so infuriating, and we keep electing politicians who suck corporate dicks and promote privatization.
Say it with me now:
Critical services must be government owned to promote service integrity.
While people might argue against this, if your existence of as a government hinges on the quality of the services you provide, and the only metric is votes, then you're going to do your damnedest to make sure you get the most votes and that means providing the best services.
Conversely, private industry has money as the metric and the best way to get more money is to get people to pay the same for less. It's the easiest way. Who wants to invest in better products/services when we can do less and cut shit and make more money.
Now that's not to say there aren't exceptions, but this is the general theme
There's way more to it than that.
There's other positive things mentioned in this article, too, so what you're doing is almost cherry picking.
None of this refutes what was said above.
Privatization resulted in alcohol prices increasing.
I've also not seen any numbers that suggest that the Alberta government makes more revenue from the private system than they would have a public system.
Every back-of-the-napkin calculation I've done suggests that the move to a private system increases access to alcohol for citizens while reducing the government revenue related to alcohol sales.
Yeah, I don't see why tax collection would increase.
The article mentions more selection, which is unambiguously good, and more locations which is good from a buyers perspective (although less so from a public health perspective). To be fair, it also mentions a lot of the jobs being minimum wage, but that seems like it has less to do with liquor and more to do with trends in the whole economy.
I don't know, it just doesn't seem like something the private sector couldn't do for any reason, so I'm unsurprised the sky didn't fall, and the situation even improved in some respects.
Much of Europe is privatized and their prices are much less than here. The main reason our prices are so high is the special alcohol tax the government puts on to discourage drinking.
To clarify your point. The privatization in Europe has nothing to do with the lower prices, it's the lower tax rate.
In places like Ontario we "double dip" on revenue where the LCBO marks up alcohol as any retailer would and makes revenue for Ontario, but at the same time, alcohol tax is also collected.
When people talk about privatization of the LCBO, it's a portion of that retail markup revenue which we would be unnecessary giving away.