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EU ministers fume as ‘outrageous’ Hungary yet again blocks military aid for Ukraine
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For the people in Ukraine, this protracted war is the absolute worst possible outcome. Ukraine will never be a safe country again in either of our lifetimes. The state has had to privatize and sell off public assets like the power grid and take out massive loans. Ukraine will never be a prosperous country again in either of our lifetimes.
As far as black and white conflicts go, there's a country currently dropping 2000 lb bombs on a tent-city of mostly starving children, that formed from refugees of it's earlier bombing campaign, who are mostly refugees of even earlier ethnic cleansing campaigns.
While that is unfortunate, it's still better than the alternative...
It absolutely is not. Nothing Russia could possibly impose on the people is worse than an entire generation of men lost to the meat grinder and the poverty that follows this kind of economic damage. A quick loss would have a million more Ukrainians living in their homes today instead of displaced throughout the world, and a hundred thousand still alive.
Wrong. Ask Ukraine or all the other former SU countries. They already know how it is to "live" under Russian occupation. If you're such a fan of that, go move over there for yourself, and join VK so you can at least spare us with your moronic propaganda.
Please stop abusing the flagging system. "Misinformation" is not against the rules. You flagged them over a dozen times for that.
Hey @[email protected], I haven't reported any misinformation myself, but just pointing out that your community rule 3 says, "Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed."
TBH I've noticed a lot of accommodation for the feelings of tankies in mod decisions here recently. I get that you probably want to be "balanced", but could we maybe just agree that it's a FACT that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was not justified or legal, even if it hurts the feeling of those who like to defend the actions of the war criminal Vladimir Putin?
If you agree that this is indeed a fact, then perhaps you might also consider clamping down on all the tankie posts that amount to nothing more than apologia for authoritarian dictators? If not, I'd love to know your reasoning for allowing them to post their toxic propaganda here.
Yes, articles. Not comments. Misinformation articles are against the rules.
If you want to say that Putin is an awesome dude who does no wrong, that's allowed even though it's a stupid thing to say.
Thank you for the clarification.
It's disinformation, not misinformation. He's willfully spreading propaganda that aims to sow discord within our societies. I guess you're just as bad as the worldnews community on lemmy.ml. An accomplice. I guess you too will reap what you sow eventually.
You're welcome to not like our rules, but neither disinformation nor misinformation (which is what you called it when you flagged it) are disallowed in comments.
I've reported all disinformation spreading comments with "Disinformation", and one insulting one with "Insult", so I'm not sure what you're talking about flagging things.
Considering that the news submissions were the only thing that was at least half reliable on the fediverse, I guess it now lost its entire point by now. Tankies here, Nazis on Reddit. No thanks.
You can call it whatever you like. It is not against the community rules to say something untrue in a comment and we mods do not have the time to vet every flagged comment for veracity.
I am shocked, shocked I say to see some one with a lemmy.ml account spouting talking points to back up vicious right wing dictatorships that are aligned against the west.
Well, maybe not that shocked...
https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]/t/701056/Lemmy-ml
That ml instance might as well stand for machine learning, because you have the same amount of empathy, common sense and coherence.
The iirony meter just broke
The reducro ad adsurdum of your position is that all states should immediately surrender to any sufficiently armed state which threatens them.
Correct, it would be absurd to apply that analysis to all states everywhere forever without any examination of the history or nuance.
sigh this is the logical consequence of your position
So the meat grinder of Russian mass murder every time they take over a city is better than fighting back?
The situation for Ukrainians in cities Russia took control over is soo soo much worse than you can imagine. Torture, killing most adult males, horrific abuses - and you say that pushing Russia back and reclaiming cities is the worse choice????????????
and who's fucking fault is that? you have absolutely no sense of decency.
How decent can you be while supporting more bloodshed and immiseration?
I doubt your motives.
Decency would be supporting the victim, not justifying the aggressor.
The victims are the people. Every day this war goes on means more victims. The only reason I examine Russia's reasoning is to predict future behavior, moral judgements on Russia or Putin's character have nothing to do with this since the only moral action is what benefits the people.
Then spend your energy on stopping Russia. It has the same effect as Ukraine surrendering.
Your arguments fall flat if you disagree to that.
I don't live in Russia, my country is not supporting Russia. From where I am, opposing Russia is equivalent to supporting escalation.
If I did live in Russia, I'd be focusing my energy on Russia. If I was in Russia, opposing Ukraine would be equivalent to supporting escalation.
So live in Russia, focus on Russia. Live anywhere else, focus on making Ukraine surrender. And you think that argument makes sense...?
So you're either a loser Russian retard sitting in a troll factory, or you are the dumbest person walking this earth. Which is it mate?
I suspect the first one. If so: you better improve your writing before they send you to replace those that have been ripped to shreads already.