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A war between Russia and NATO would result in the textbook definition of a pyrhhic victory. Everyone should be afraid of that. There will be no winners in nuclear combat.
There is a great novel written in 1959 called Alas, Babylon by an author named Pat Frank about the survivors of a nuclear war between the US and the USSR in a small Florida town. The novel ends this way:
That book was wild. Read it in high school as part of a class that also covered the classics of the era; On the Beach, Fail Safe etc. It stuck with me with its description of blindness from the blast and the metaphor for confusion.
That last line has haunted me for decades.
Great quote! That's one of my absolute favorite books. I recommend it to people all the time.
If you liked Alas, Babylon, I'd strongly recommend On The Beach by Nevil Shute.
I know On The Beach well! The movie is good too. There's also a decent BBC radio dramatization:
https://archive.org/details/on-the-beach-by-nevil-shute
And that's the whole point of MAD. It doesn't matter if you can "win". You've just managed to kill a few million more than the other side, everyone loses anyway so there's no point in starting such a conflict.
Until someone is too crazy or too stupid or both and thinks they can win.
Yeah exactly. Of course you can "win" but everyone will lose a great deal in the process.
MAD goes way beyond Pyrrhic victory, even. Pyrrhus of Epirus won a battle but lost the war as a result... and then recovered in time to wage different, unrelated ones with other people.
Exactly. I've read the UKs pm recently talking about the need to increase defense spending as the world's so much likely to be at war. It's like world leaders want to see WWIII not realizing or giving a shite that by talking it up that only destabilizes things like the economy as people become anxious and worried. And before anyone comes out with Russia invaded Ukraine first or out of nowhere. They didn't invade in 2022, they invaded in 2014 with Crimea. Russia had been at war with Ukraine since and regardless invading the rest of Ukraine is a world of difference to invading a NATO member which would invite retaliation from 32 members and so would be an act of self sabotage when some of those members have nuclear weapons.