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A nuclear plant’s closure was hailed as a green win. Then emissions went up (www.theguardian.com)

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Shuttering of New York facility raises awkward climate crisis questions as gas – not renewables – fills gap in power generation

When New York’s deteriorating and unloved Indian Point nuclear plant finally shuttered in 2021, its demise was met with delight from environmentalists who had long demanded it be scrapped.

But there has been a sting in the tail – since the closure, New York’s greenhouse gas emissions have gone up.

Castigated for its impact upon the surrounding environment and feared for its potential to unleash disaster close to the heart of New York City, Indian Point nevertheless supplied a large chunk of the state’s carbon-free electricity.

Since the plant’s closure, it has been gas, rather then clean energy such as solar and wind, that has filled the void, leaving New York City in the embarrassing situation of seeing its planet-heating emissions jump in recent years to the point its power grid is now dirtier than Texas’s, as well as the US average.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not quite the same level as the cold war, but yeah, it's back baby

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's putting it mildly. Most people alive at the time were as certain as they could be that a nuclear apocalypse was right around the corner. Kids were told as much in school. Right now it's floated as a possibility, but most people don't take it seriously or aren't aware of it much at all.

[–] Jax 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Nor will they. Nuclear bombs have been coopted by the ever churning content machine that is western media into "this is an explosion, but it's really fucking big".

Shit, look at what's happened to Godzilla. We have Godzilla Minus One vs Monsterverse Godzilla. I don't think I need to break down how trivial Monsterverse Godzilla is by comparison. "Very big, very cool, big explodey lizard wow" is about all Godzilla amounts to in the West, and it is a walking metaphor for a nuclear bomb.

Why would anyone be afraid of something so trivialized? We've been fucking powerscaled into not caring about nuclear bombs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Nuclear weapons weren't "coopted." It's extremely unlikely because any country that uses would similarly be glassed. Sure, it's not zero, but probably not too far off.

[–] Jax 2 points 9 months ago

I clearly meant nuclear bombs as a concept.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

i'm sorry, we power scaled a 3kilometer wide sun on earth?

[–] Jax 1 points 9 months ago

As far as something to be afraid of on a day to day basis, yes. This is speaking of both the real world and fiction. Fiction is obvious as to why, Goku can fucking blow up galaxies or some shit. Superman becomes God at some point or whatever.

In the real world, when is the threat of a singular nuke ever the case? Seriously, when? It's always total thermonuclear annihilation. You never hear about a singular nuke. Most people fear being shot or stabbed more than total nuclear annihilation. The idea is too abstract.