jwiggler

I came back to see if you were still making a fool of yourself on this topic, and lo-and-behold you're threatening to ban users for calling your comments dumb. You deserve to be called out on this one. Have a good day.

givesome, I'm really disappointed with you in this comment section. Ban me if you want, but you really are embarrassing yourself here, not only with your dumb comments, but now threatening to ban someone for calling you out. It seems like you made this post just to get in a bunch of fights with users, only to threaten to ban them when they push back? Like cmon dude. Really, really not cool.

I think you have some confusion with the word fork. You don't "fork away" from a lemmy instance -- instances are their own thing. You can defederate from them, but that's not forking. Forking is really only in the context of the code -- its when you copy a codebase and change it in whatever way you see fit, so a fork of Lemmy would not be lemmy.

That thread has a couple mentions of forks of Lemmy, like piefed and mbin, but there is so much non-technical conversation that its really not about creating forks of lemmy. I think what you're trying to say is that people want to decrease their reliance (don't want to donate to, really) the lemmy devs, who also are the lemmy.ml maintainers, who have pro-CCP views. I mean, you can correct me if I'm wrong there. Really most of that thread is discussion of politics.

But the thing is, you don't have to support them. You don't have to donate, and if you're really upset that they are adding a donate button, you can move to another activitypub platform like piefed or mbin or whatever. I mean, you probably should be doing that since you seem so invested in this issue. It'd definitely be more effective protest -- because the lemmy devs aren't going to be ousted or anything like that. Lemmy is their project. The best thing you can do is move to a fork of lemmy. That's the whole beauty of open source -- if you don't like it, there is a fork. If there's no fork, you can fork it yourself (but that's work).

But there's not much you can do to influence the direction of lemmy as a codebase, and if the devs wretched political opinions outweigh the usefulness of the platform for you, you should just switch platforms. It'd be a bummer to lose your comment history, your moderator status, or whatever, but why would you care about that stuff if it contributes to something that is owned by some tankies you hate?

Idk, maybe something to think about. There are just a lot of avenues built into open-source software, and into the decentralized nature of the fediverse, that allow you an off-ramp. But sounding the alarm on a yearly donate button won't influence the direction of lemmy because those two devs are in complete control of the codebase.

Hell, I'm looking at mbin now. kinda enticing...hmmmmmm..lol

Edit: Hmm hold on, it sounds like piefed and mbin are not forks, but were developed independently of lemmy

Yep, lots of people have been wanting to fork.

Hm? You make it sound like the devs are blocking that from happening, and that there's all this chatter about it, but people cant decide -- But that's not how forking works. There's no "people want to fork, but they just cant decide how to proceed, or they're being blocked from doing it, or there's been all this talk about forking, whatever whatever." Like usually it's not an all or nothing, it's not a thing everyone has to discuss, "we gotta fork and every instance migrate over to this other codebase." Anyone can just fork it and self host it. I know you didn't say exactly those words, but it kinda sounds like you don't really know much about what you're saying, sorry to say :/ Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an open source dev, just an admin. But idk dude, it sounds like you have a misunderstanding about the big picture of open-source development.

The problem is maintenance, as mentioned below, but I guess I'm more curious about the federative implications of forking lemmy and running your own fork -- is it feasible? Maybe someone else could answer

Maybe a stupid question, couldn't someone just fork it and remove this?

I enjoy Jared Henderson. Frustrated there's nothing about free software movement anywhere in this video

When i was a kid, my grandma lived with us. She'd listen to this piece of garbage non-stop. She had me parroting the drivel he spouted. Nothing could make me forgive this dude for poisoning her mind, and nothing will make me forget how she helped make me into a hateful little kid. Glad they're both dead, only hoping my own mother doesn't take up the mantle with my nieces and nephews. She does not understand the harm and the trauma she perpetuates.

I don't really agree, but I do understand where you're coming from. I do think you're right in pointing out that all these behaviors give the individual a more likely chance to survive, but I also think that is exactly Kropotkin's point. That these social behaviors were naturally selected, the individuals who displayed them were more likely to survive.

But where I disagree is in the fact that the individuals themselves aren't consciously thinking, "this is what will give me, an individual, the best chance to survive." You see what I mean? For example, the horses forming a circle around the young to defend from wolves -- they're not thinking, "I need to protect myself." They have an instinct to protect the young, so the young go in the center. If an adult were purely individualistic, it would enter the circle, itself, right? Or if my neighbors house is on fire, what's most advantageous for me as an individual is to run away, but I feel compelled to yell for help. Or kittens -- wouldn't they be better off as individuals if they just killed off their siblings, so that they could have a full mouth? But no, being raised with other young kittens allows them to learn to hunt through play, to groom themselves, and to learn socialization tactics and reading body language, which further increases their chances of survival when encountering other cats as adults.

So yeah, you're totally right in a sense, animals act in these ways because their ancestors passed on the genes that predisposed them to acting this way, and those behaviors make them more likely to survive because they (the behaviors) made their ancestors more likely to survive. See what I'm getting at? Kropotkin's point is that it is evolutionarily advantageous to engage in social activity and cooperation.

I totally buy it, personally. You ever think about why we blush involuntarily? Or why we feel so wretched when we think we haven't been accepted socially? Why it feels good to just help someone, or when we wince when we see someone else in pain? We're social animals, built to socialize. I mean, we all speak a language! We naturally are compelled to talk baby-talk at babies. We touch each other, even in platonic, non sexual ways. These social behaviors are rewarded because they helped us survive, yes, but we don't think about them as actions we take to increase our chance of survival. We do them because they feel good, because they're supposed to.

I think learning anything new is like this, yknow? No pain no gain, as they say.

Thanks unruffled. That passage from Kropotkin really moved me when I first read it. atro really struggled with rule 1. Hope your day goes good!

Hey LibertyLiz. Nothing to add, just wanted to say hi. I enjoy seeing your name pop up spitting truth. Hope you're doing good!

What a dick-ass comment. I'm not trying to dunk on you dude. If you don't wanna read more about the thing you yourself are professing (humans inherently bad), where that idea got popularized, and people who have refuted it throughout history, you don't have to. But I find it interesting and just wanted to give you a reading suggestion. Christ.