I gave my 2 cents already in this thread, but you all should have honored the previous vote. This discussion and vote should have been about re-federating them. He's not wrong that this is redundant and tiring.
haxe11
joined 1 year ago
We're under no obligation to federate with anyone that we don't want to. They're not just a Nazi bar, which I now believe is a good enough reason to build our wall, as you say, but they're also a Nazi bar with Nazi robots.
At first I was against defederating from them, since even though I do not agree with their viewpoints, I was of the opinion that we should not be so hasty to defederate with anyone. I thought that it was against the spirit of the Fediverse.
However, I have since changed my mind. There are three types of federation in Lemmy: allow list, block list, and open. We aren't under any obligation federate anyone that feels like spinning up an instance.
The people on that instance, including its mods and admins, are a hate group. They break the sh.itjust.works rules of being respectful and having no bigotry. The exploding-heads content has no business even reaching the sh.itjust.works server, in my opinion.
It would also be a very bad look for us for sh.itjust.works users to create an account here and begin posting on instances which break our rules.
There is also the argument that, since we federate with a Nazi instance, we are also a Nazi instance. We had the "The Donald" and "Conspiracy Theories" communities which also supported that argument. Whether you agree with it or not, this is why we have been defederated from Beehaw, one of the larger Lemmy instances.
In addition to all of the ideological arguments above, they have opened themselves up to a botswarm invasion, and I think that is itself a reason to defederate them. It's a simple security concern!
Finally, I am in disbelief we are even voting on this a second time. I would have expected the moderator team to honor the previous vote to defederate from them. Any further discussion and vote should have been to re-federate with them.
We did vote for using an automated tool, even, to protect against such instances: https://sh.itjust.works/post/338826
Aye.
Edit: Oh wait, the community is deleted. Well, disregard my vote. It should stay gone.
Aye.
That stuff is illegal in many countries.
Aye.
I agree with others in the thread that we should be open to communicating with admins for false positives though.
I agree that order shouldn't matter, but I strongly believe it would matter given the fact that everyone knows that upvoted posts appear at the top by default. The proposal doesn't address downvoting, but it will happen anyway and affect the outcome because of the ordering issue. Discussions will happen inside the voting thread even if it shouldn't happen, as well.
As much as I very much dislike the current political climate, and even though I'm aware that there is actual violence going on against those that don't deserve it, I must say I disagree with your claim. Not every racist or sexist or homophobe is guilty of violence. We are a tribal species, but not every disagreement has to mean war. Additionally, I don't think defederating communities at the first signs of any of these will achieve what you want.
Please don't be naive. We've already seen where this goes. January 6 has already happened. The Club Q shooting has already happened. These are not isolated incidents. This brand of hatred is not nonviolent anymore. We should not remain passive in this case. If someone from our instance wants to read and post alt-right stuff, let them create a new account on their instance.