doomcanoe

Lol, oh, hai again. Did you forget you already said this in another reply to me in this very thread. Guess I can just re-use my reply from there huh?

Oh, okay, well I just checked with all the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" people, and everyone repented. Crazy I know, but every single one. Completed the repentance ceremony and everything. So we can all agree to work towards the greater good now right?

What's that? Still no!? Is that because you were never arguing in good faith? Wow, I sure am shocked.

Look friend, I'm not interested in dying on pointless hills. Not while there are still things worth fighting for. If you have found your hill, I wish you luck holding it.

Oh, okay, well I just checked with all the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" people, and everyone repented. Crazy I know, but every single one. Completed the repentance ceremony and everything. So we can all agree to work towards the greater good now right?

What's that? Still no!? Is that because you were never arguing in good faith? Wow, I sure am shocked.

Look friend, I'm not interested in dying on pointless hills. Not while there are still things worth fighting for. If you have found your hill, I wish you luck holding it.

No, that's also a pretty terrible plan. Though since I never suggested we do that, nor did I blame those who supported Harris, I have to wonder who you are talking to?

For long term political goals, I'm fully on board with you.

For immediate resistance to fascism, we are already all on the same side, or so I hope.

My greatest fear is that you are right.

I say we keep talking about it at least until after there is another democratic election in the US

Just in time to divide us again and let the situation get worse. Planning on making the same bad choice you are accusing others of huh?

Not that I specifically disagree with anything you said. But reviewers loved to call Skyrim "as wide as an ocean, but as deep as a puddle" as well. And while Starfield suffers from a worse case of this, it's hard to argue this hasn't been Bethesda's main problem for a long while now.

Maybe this flaw finally caught up to Bethesda thanks to the march of time. But gotta hand it to em, they had a great run for a team the refuses to change with the times.

I get your points and they are well taken. Just be careful not to swing at ghosts so hard that you hit those who would have made great allies.

Not every one who voted Blue is a "fair-weather friend". Frankly, I bet you would be surprised with how many would be willing to push for something better if given the opportunity.

And sometimes, people just need to be given the chance. The disagreements are meaningful, but the shit slinging is not. And I'm afraid we have traded in meaningful discussion for pure shit slinging.

To be fair, for many the choice to save or sacrifice Palestine never felt like it was on the table. For those people, the choice was between making a deal with the devil to save as many marginalized groups as possible, or sacrificing said marginalized groups to keep their "hands clean".

I believe both sides of this argument felt like they were pushing for solidarity the best way they knew how. And due to the emotionally charged nature of this choice, we wound up losing all solidarity ironically.

If you truly believe in solidarity, then try to see the human on the other side of the screen and be the first to reach out and mend the cracks.

That's very true, and we see it election cycle after election cycle. But for many who voted Blue, the Dem's are not "their party". They were playing the best hand they were dealt in a terrible situation. And while I get feeling sick to your stomach over playing that hand when the chips are peoples lives, I also get the cold calculus some people are willing to make for the greater good.

Frankly, Abstainers and Lesser Of Two Evil Voters have been, imho, radicalized against each other due to the contentious nature of the election. I don't believe the camps were so separate a year ago.

If we all want to keep dying on this hill, well we certainly can and will. But I've talked to folks on both sides, and they largely want the same outcomes. Even if we all didn't agree on the solution.

The election proved that divided we are not a larger group than the fascist collation in this country. But I'm willing to be combined we are.

And we don't have to argue over the election anymore, so unless we want to find another hill to die on, I once again propose we agree with pushing towards are shared goals.

On this platform, we have also had genuine people struggle with supporting a system and party that directly cause harm, even if it would cause less harm then the alternative. And many of them went from struggling with finding the right choice, to full on radicalization towards abstaining because of the smug posting of people on this platform who acted as if it was stupid or evil for them to struggle with their moral compass.

I get that everyone feels very strongly about their positions in this, and that these feelings are directly tied to our personal beliefs.

But the reality is, those who abstained and those who voted Blue share many fundamental beliefs. And we can either let this election be the hill we all collectively die on, or we can let bygones be bygones and stand united to help those we still can.

And here is the kicker, it may feel good to say those who came to a different conclusion than you should "feel bad", but if you do, you will be guilty of the same sin you so strongly accuse them of.

Sounds like you have your hands full dealing with getting you and yours to safety. Good luck, I wish you all the best in that endeavor!

I can't blame you for being angry, but just try not to let that anger turn you into the thing you are angry at. Someone who stands idly by when someone needs help you could provide.