Varyk

as long as you're choosing to be in that system, the will of the electorate should be exerted to its side host when choosing their president.

the alternative you are suggesting is that because there are outsized special interests influencing you a selection, people shouldn't have any say.

which I cannot agree with.

it's a popular, simple opinion, doesn't require you to do anything but it certainly doesn't change anything for the better or have any positive benefits.

nobody's arguing that the fix you're talking about isn't in, those computer scientists and I agree that we should try to fix the fix.

sure, kind of.

that all obligly agrees with what I've been saying.

you finally read some of those sources?

I'm very pro better late than never, good on you.

in the future, I'd appreciate it if you read things you comment on first before making claims based on assumptions.

have a good one

"Feel free to source it with concrete probable claims"

19 credible sources are available throughout the paper that you didn't read and you are mosinformed about both the stolen voting machine data and the fake electors scheme.

if you don't know any of this, you're out of your depth here.

"concrete evidence of interference."

Great, there is a mountain of concrete evidence of election and ballot interference over the past several years, up to today.

from 4 years ago, then 2 years ago, then during the 2024 election, and in between.

you're not making any sense.

the open letter and even wikipedia directly provides the evidence you claim to be interested in.

"Yes. It was never put into practice. Trump did try to institute a coup, but failed."

nope, you are entirely incorrect here as well.

The fake electors scheme was put into practice nationally. fake electors mailed out false ballots to NARA and Mike Pence in an effort to steal the election before the real ballots arrived in the mail.

The National Archives discovered that the ballots were false and negated them.

The fake electore scheme absolutely went into practice, people have admitted to participating in it, taken guilty plea deals and are still going through trials because of their participation in the fake electors scheme.

If you need more clarification, ask questions but for goodness' sake, read something first so you have a baseline of knowledge before you talk about something.

you're entirely misinformed with regard to recent election interference.

yeah, these data leaks are all about break into iOS specifically to access iCloud data and accounts, I don't know about their backup servers.

If they can get the data up front, why go around the back?

The iCloud leak from 2014 was all leaked login information also, it's why they finally implemented encryption.

oh but Apple officially says that the 2014 attack was only due to fishing and brute Force attacks.

idk, enforcing encryption directly after that was a good idea, but I doubt they would do it unless it was necessary or vulnerable.

exactly, my voter registration was purged and I had to re-register this year.

there's been election interference going on by Republicans for decades and this time they stole voting software specifically used in the presidential election, there are good reasons why we should do manual ballot counts.

awesome, thank you, it does make a difference.

a manual recount seems in order and not a huge ask.

you are either being disingenuous or wildly uninformed.

Iit's okay if you don't like that one scientist. because there are dozens of other computer security experts who have come to the same conclusion, that since Trump's lawyers admitted to hiring people to steal voting software used by 90% of voters in swing states, manual recounts should be implemented.

The Republicans have zero evidence of election interference.

democrats have straight up factual evidence of ballot, interference and electoral fraud.

do you know about how W won the 2004 election?

do you know about the fake elector scheme 4 years ago?

have you ever heard of gerrymandering?

voter poll purging?

Republican ballot interference has happened every election for decades, and it looks like it happened on a wider scale this time.

I feel like I read a new article with Apple IDs being leaked every year.

looks like there there have been six major apple data leaks since the 2014 incident you're talking about, so a major leak based on exploits every year and a half, and then there's also all the individual articles that pop up with someone saying they received notification that they're iCloud data or Apple ID was leaked, which I don't know the frequency of but I see all the time.

https://firewalltimes.com/apple-data-breach-timeline

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254140360?sortBy=rank

seems to happen fairly often.

I mean the voting software stolen is undeniably true, since they admitted doing it themselves and there's evidence of Trump's lawyers hiring people to steal the voting software.

nothing might come of it, but I still talk about how W stole his election because his brother was the governor of florida and stopped ballot counting in that state, so if this election was stolen, we might as well have indisputable proof like we have of Florida in 2004.

If you don't like that guy, you you can look to all the other security experts that are calling for a manual recount.

incidentally, spoonamore isn't known for making that claim every election, he's made it twice, The other time was in 2004 when ballot interference occurred.

you can go read the other three people, they literally agreed with me.

you're the only one pretending that the fake electors scheme didn't happen and that manipulating voting software is impossible if you have the voting software for 3 years.

"I don't think it's plausible "

you didn't even understand how software manipulation worked until I explained it to you in ice cream.

I'm going to believe all of the computer scientists brave enough to write an open letter saying that software based voting manipulation is plausible.

"I'll take my own advice and not waste any more time"

I remember you telling me you weren't going to talk to me anymore a dozen comments back.

"stupid conspiracy theories of your useless elections. I'd suggest you'd do the same, sugarplum."

there are conspiracy theories and conspiracy facts, Jack.

have fun believing facts aren't real.

actually must be pretty fun.