JupiterRowland

joined 2 years ago
[–] JupiterRowland 0 points 2 months ago

Lemmy users = Redditors = geeks.

OP is talking about people for whom the Internet is Facebook, Google, YouTube and Amazon, and who have always only ever used phones and never in their lives laid their hands upon an actual computer.

People who had their Gmail account registered and configured by whoever sold them their phone (or one of their past phones).

Anything that goes beyond "load an app with the same name as the thing you want to use from the App Store, user name, password, go" is too complex for them.

[–] JupiterRowland 2 points 2 months ago

If you don't mind a learning curve and having to use the Web interface (because there's no native mobile app): (streams). From Friendica's creator.

If (streams) sounds good, but you need a shit-ton of extra features on top (and be it diaspora* connectivity), and you don't mind an even steeper learning curve: Hubzilla. Also made by the guy who made Friendica.

If you absolutely, absolutely, absolutely must have a dedicated native app on your phone, you're on Android, and you can live without features such as nomadic identity, multiple channels per account and advanced, fine-grained permission control: Friendica.

If you absolutely, absolutely, absolutely must have a dedicated native app on your phone, but you're on iOS: Wait for Relatica to have a stable release, then Friendica. (Caveats see above.)

Forget diaspora*. It's fading out. Shortly before New Year's Eve, a bunch of big diaspora* pods shut down, and at least according to one stats site, diaspora* lost more than haf its users.

And Pleroma is a Twitter replacement that, just like Mastodon, started out as an alternative UI for GNU social.

[–] JupiterRowland 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Imagine being able to post only to Alice, Bob and Carol and nobody else ever laying their eyes on the post. Not in the Fediverse, not outside the Fediverse.

Imagine only Alice, Bob and Carol being able to reply to your posts, but all three being able to see and reply to each other's replies.

Imagine being able to define groups of connections with which you can do the above.

Sounds like utopian science-fiction. Is reality.

Hubzilla (official website), a Friendica fork by Friendica's own creator, offers literally what I've described above. It has since 2012, almost four years longer than Mastodon has been around.

If you want something more lightweight with not quite such a steep learning curve, there's also (streams) (code repository from 2021 from the same creator, the result of a whole series of forks. Similar advanced and fine-grained permissions system, but somewhat easier to use.

[–] JupiterRowland 1 points 2 months ago

Why does the fediverse not have a privacy control to limit who can see and interact with your posts?

It does. The Fediverse is more than Mastodon and Lemmy.

Especially Hubzilla and (streams) with their advanced permissions systems provide what you're looking for and more. Only downsides are the learning curves ((streams)' learning curve is not exactly shall, Hubzilla's is steeper), UIs that don't look like they were made in 2024 from venture capital and a total lack of native mobile apps (you can install both as PWAs, though).

[–] JupiterRowland 1 points 2 months ago

Common misconception by Fediverse newbies: "Fediverse" is an umbrella term for a bunch of decentralised walled gardens. Like, Lemmy only connects to Lemmy, Mastodon only connects to Mastodon, Pixelfed only connects to Pixelfed etc. And if you're on Mastodon, and your Facebook friends join Friendica, you need a Friendica account to get back in touch with them.

In reality, just about everything is interconnected with everything. No matter what it is.

You can use your Mastodon account to follow people on Pixelfed, on Friendica, on Misskey, whatever.

That said, having a separate Lemmy account makes sense because Lemmy/the Threadiverse is somewhat special in operation. Also, it's all about conversations and groups, and Mastodon doesn't understand neither. And starting a thread on Lemmy from Mastodon is not as straight-forward as starting a thread on Mastodon from Mastodon.

[–] JupiterRowland 3 points 2 months ago

OP wants something that looks like the Twitter app, that feels like the Twitter app, that handles like the Twitter app. But with Mastodon underneath.

Essentially the "literally Twitter without Musk" which millions of Twitter refugees have expected Mastodon to be since 2022.

Probably also hard-coded to mastodon.social to hide Mastodon's decentrality from the dumb-dumbs.

[–] JupiterRowland 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The closest you'd get would be with Hubzilla or (streams). Or Forte if it wasn't experimental with no public instances yet. They even have file spaces with WebDAV on which you can upload files and then define who is permitted to see/access these files or the folders they're in.

However:

What you want isn't their default M.O. You'll have to get used to and think yourself into something with a learning curve that's even steeper than Friendica's. You'll have to learn and understand the permissions system, including giving nobody permission to see your connections. Ideally, all your connections would have to be smart enough to know how to to hide being connected to you from the public and to actually do so.

Encryption is optional and "uninstalled" by default for everyone, and it isn't even available on all server instances (it's up to the admin to activate that add-on, and then the user has to activate it, too). Also, it uses passphrases and not automatically generated key pairs.

Finally, if you insist in using it with a mobile app, you're completely out of luck. It's browser or PWA for all of them.

[–] JupiterRowland 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Knud Puppetsen, is that you on the picture?

[–] JupiterRowland 2 points 4 months ago

Knickerbockers

[–] JupiterRowland 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Could be wrong, or just more domain-specific, bu my experience is people don’t complain that the video is 15-30 minutes long, is that it’s a video (and that long) when the information could have been more succintly and practically displayed in a text tutorial or a blog format.

Which is kind of interesting, considering it wasn't that long ago that people asked for tutorials and other information in the shape of videos because they couldn't be bothered to read shit.

[–] JupiterRowland 5 points 4 months ago

Defederation all by itself isn't bad.

Immature and irresponsible instance admins who use it as a tool to act out their personal conflicts are.

[–] JupiterRowland 1 points 4 months ago

Decentralisation could very well lead to specialised instances for niche interests or fringe groups. I mean, exactly this has popped up during the first two Twitter migration wave.

And still, you've got countless people who want mastodon.social to be exactly the way they want it to be, regardless of what anyone else may want, or what's possible on such a big instance. Because that's where they are, and they are not going to move elsewhere.

 

I've stumbled upon a weird phenomenon here on sh.itjust.works.

A couple of days ago, [email protected] was launched. I was able to subscribe to it from Hubzilla, and I know that several people were able to subscribe to it from Mastodon.

Just recently, probably coinciding with the 0.18.0 upgrade the community seemed to have disappeared, just to resurface a few hours later.

Afterwards, I tried to post to that community from Hubzilla. I've successfully posted to test communities on various other Lemmy instances from the same Hubzilla channel successfully. This time, however, I didn't see the post appear, neither on Lemmy itself nor on Hubzilla outside my personal stream. Even 17 hours later, the post appeared nowhere.

@[email protected], creator and sole moderator of !opensim, said she couldn't access the community from Mastodon either. She couldn't even find it by searching for it.

I tried to search for it myself, both on Hubzilla and on a Mastodon account I use with a different identity. While I could easily find communities on other Lemmy instances, I could not find !opensim.

Strangely, I couldn't find !main either. Again, neither from Hubzilla nor from Mastodon.

At first glance, it looked like sh.itjust.works either had problems federating with anything that isn't Lemmy, problems other instances don't have, or it had massively defederated or something.

So I created an account here to report this issue. And even more strangely, all of a sudden, I can see posts in !opensim when I'm logged in, even one that was done before the upgrade. When I'm logged out, I still can't see them.

What could possibly have caused these phenomena, and how, if at all, could they possibly be overcome?

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