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Context: Technology Connections is a YouTuber https://www.youtube.com/@TechnologyConnections

This is his account on Mastodon https://mas.to/@TechConnectify

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (15 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (13 children)

Honestly, this suggests to me that the ability to defederate might be a bug rather than a feature.

If my instance doesn't talk to the instance at foobar.example, I might be unable to see (parts of) relevant discussions. This is worse for a microblog like Mastodon than it is in the threadiverse but it's still something to keep in mind even over here. And most non-enthusiasts don't want to have to do that.

Email is an example of a successful federated platform and it barely has defederation support. But in general all mail servers can talk to all other mail servers as long as they provide the right look-at-me-I'm-legitimate signaling. That makes email easy to use for regular people no matter if they use Gmail or their cousin's self-hosted mail server.

Perhaps that is how at least the non-threaded fediverse should work... However, that would also mean that some instance hosting heinous shit would keep being visible to everyone. It's a tricky problem.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (8 children)

This is what I have been thinking!!!! Defederation is THE WORST feature of fediverse, and trust me, it will keep people away from joining the fediverse.

I just remembered that a year ago some artist I really liked joined Mastodon. I tried following it through my old account on kbin.social but somehow it doesn't work, no clear error message. After asking around I figured it out: turns out said Mastodon instance defederated from kbin.social, with no valid reason given!!

Because of shit like this, no wonder people--including tech-savvy person like me--are confused of choosing the right instance of Mastodon/Lemmy/etc. It's what makes the onboarding experience of Mastodon awful. It's what makes Mastodon losing users, IMO.

[–] JupiterRowland 5 points 3 weeks ago

Defederation all by itself isn't bad.

Immature and irresponsible instance admins who use it as a tool to act out their personal conflicts are.

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