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I almost always read in the news/press that dentists recommend to brush teeth two times a day for 2-3 minutes.

This drives me crazy, because it does not make sense; The point for dental health is to systematical clean every surface of your teeth twice a day (and use inter-dental brushes/floss once a day). For me, brushing my teeth takes around 6 minutes, if I hurry up. For someone faster it might be possible in 1 minute.

So, why do dentists always give the 2-3 minutes recommendation?

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 9 months ago (2 children)

i find it inconvenient to do that every day, so i brush once a month for 2 hours.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think it's an average estimate, not a hard rule.

The exact time doesn't matter, but it's an approximate reference for how long you could aim for

  • some people don't brush enough
  • some people brush too much (harms enamel and damages gums)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

In a sense, I guess op is right though — I recently read that ~70% of people in a study were brushing ineffectively, no matter how long they were told to brush. Their brushing only improved after being told to make sure to brush every every "sector" of their teeth.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

When I was growing up they used to say "brush after every meal" and then it became three times per day, now it's "please just brush twice at some point".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I also got the 'brush after every contact with sugar' thingy.

The common agreement nowadays seems to be twice a day and the points are very clear: before you go to bed and soon after getting up in the morning, to bring some fluid to the nasty bacteria, remove their food and plaque from your teeth.

[–] can 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Please wait at least 30 mins before brushing after sugary and especially acidic things.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] can 5 points 9 months ago

Acid is still fresh on your teeth and you're just scraping it into the enamel breaking it down. You should wait or at least swish some water around.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

You're right. When I grew up, I was told to brush three times as well, more I brush twice only. Not sure when or why that recommendation changed.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (3 children)

My electric toothbrush does 30 seconds per quadrant, 2 minutes total. I'm 38 have zero cavities and my teeth are fine. I only brush once a day.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There’s other factors than just brushing your teeth but brushing is probably the easiest factor that most people can reasonably take control of.

Genetics, obviously you can’t do much about. But you can avoid sweets and decide not to get pregnant (hormonal changes during pregnancy can cause mouths to get more acidic and make plaque harder to remove, and can also soften the gums and bones that hold teeth in, or even weaken the teeth directly). Also, if you want nice teeth, it’s especially important to abstain from smoking crystal meth. And that’s even more important during pregnancy.

But telling everybody “brush twice a day for two minutes” is a small ask with huge returns.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Idk. I’ve been able to maintain a pretty consistent balance of crystal and healthy teeth. Every one of them that’ve fallen out have been nice, white, and cavity free.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I've always brushed my teeth twice a day and I've had like 6-8 cavities, a root canal, and an implant. There's more to it than brushing. Some of it is biological.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Sonicare or oral b?

I wish I had bought my sonicare much earlier than I did. Seems like the best way to keep your teeth healthy outside the dentist's office.

Seems expensive until you have a dental bill that is much more expensive. I highly recommend getting a sonicare.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

The whole point is to not leave starches/sugars in places long enough for a biofilm of plaque to form.

The problem is, teeth are poorly shaped to clean and the interface of the gums is down right hard to get to.

So what they're trying to do is to get you to clean often enough that you manage to get some of the hard to get areas covered but not so often that you're sanding the enamel of your teeth.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

Brushing for longer has diminishing returns and hurts your gums. I'm just speculating, but it's mostly about removing debris from your mouth and applying flouride to your teeth.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

My electric toothbrush works in four 30-second increments. Each 30 seconds is plenty of time for me to cover a quadrant. I slowly go over the outside, inside, top/bottom, gums in each quadrant. Maybe if I was meticulously brushing each tooth one by one, I could see the issue, but that's not necessary, is it?

[–] Lucidlethargy 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So I've had something like 25-30 cavities filled in my life. I haven't had a single cavity in 10 years, though. I brush only once a day, and floss. The trick is flouride rinse afterwards. That's the secret.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

but the fluoride is gonna turn me into a government sleeper agent!1!!?!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'm also like you with my timing but most people I know say I take ages with my teeth. Apparently most people are done with their brushing in less than one minute. Therefore, dentists recommend spending at least two or three. I don't think you need to brush for less time than what you already are.

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[–] Brkdncr 9 points 9 months ago

That’s how much time it takes for the fluoride to take effect?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

You are harming your teeth if you brush them that much, that’s why. Overbrushing is just as bad as brushing too little.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think it’s a game of diminishing returns.

Let’s say 6 minutes gives you perfect 100% cleaning.

Well 30 seconds probably already gets you 50% or more of the total benefit just by getting fluoride on your teeth and rinsing your mouth a bit so getting people to 3 minutes is probably approaching perfection anyway and if you start asking people to do 6 minutes then they’ll say fuck it I won’t bother at all so settle for the 80% win.

I assume.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I like the internal logic of this argument. I’m going to assume this is fact now, with zero research.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Have you asked your dentist?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Are you aware some of us can’t afford that?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Since OP has firm views about what dentists says, I'm going to assume that they visit the dentist on occasion.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

This, so much!

It really makes me angry, that there is no free dental hygiene training for children/teenagers.

I life in a comparatively rich society (Germany), but our retarded health care system pumps billions every year in preventable diseases (like most dental problems) and exactly zero in prophylaxes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Fair and good question. I literally ask my dentist on every single visit the following points

  • is my dental hygiene ok?
  • do I damage my gums with my brushing?
  • what can I improve in my dental hygiene?

The dentist always tells me it is okay and I cannot do more, than I am doing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There are two things with brushing your teeth: first, the mechanical action of the brush and the microparticuls in the toothpaste will clean the tooth. Second, the fluorine in the toothpaste will consolidate the enamel of the tooth, but it needs a bit of time to be absorbed.

This is why it's important to use real toothpaste and not the natural shit you can do yourself at home.

So 2-3min is the right time to brush the tooth and allow the fluorine to be absorbed. Some dentists will also tell you to not rinse the mouth, only spit the saliva and paste, I imagine so that fluorine has more time to work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Surely part of your 6 minutes is flossing and mouthwash though.

I systematically clean each surface but my electric toothbrush has an automatic timer that buzzes at the 2 min mark and its surprising how close it is. I normally only have one or two teeth to go.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Brush? Are you crazy! Plaque build up makes for a powerful bite. You'll need it to be at the top of the Zombie crowd.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

i just go over my teeth twice with a manual brush.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Back in the day, it was recommended after every meal!

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