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I use plasma, BTW

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't care whether you use GNOME, KDE Plasma, Sway or Weston, as long as you use Wayland.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My Nvidia card says no to Wayland+KDE :( incredibly laggy and unresponsive ui

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There's a lot of improvements with Plasma 6 and NVIDIA 545 on my RTX 3060 Ti, so that's something to look forward to.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I wish it worked well on my system

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (4 children)

While you blissfully ignore it, systemd is planning the downfall of humanity. Don’t fall for its lies.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

Yes, very sad. Anyway.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

I, for one, welcome our new systemd overlords...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Now I want to do some PRs for systemD.

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[–] rustydrd 34 points 9 months ago (4 children)

systemd isn't perfect, but it's definitely a net plus for me when compared with older init system. In case anyone's interested, this talk summarizes the key points pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This was an excellent listen, thank you for the link. I had no idea what was involved in it when I started, nor the roles of initd and launchd before it and what systemd was trying to replace.

The funny thing is that the guy giving the talk, Benno Rice, is primarily FreeBSD/openRC and not Linux, so he seemed fairly agnostic in presenting the various sides, not just from Unix and then Linux but also from the Apple viewpoint, who have also been playing a kind of parallel but separate role in this.

Very cool. Not a beginner level talk, definitely, but there was nothing I couldn't figure out coming from Windows/Mac tech. Really informative, thank you again.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://www.piped.video/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago

I am not interested in being preached at unless you have a workable alternative and a good reason why should I switch over.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I don't even know what systemd is ☠️

[–] [email protected] 60 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It is between systemc and systeme

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Oversimplified: It's the service that handles starting and stopping of other services, including starting them in the right order after boot. Many people hate it because of astrology and supersticion. Allegedly it's "bloated". But still it has become the standard on many (most?) distros, effectively replacing init.

I like init. It's simple. I like systemd as well. It's convenient. Beyond that i don't have very strong feelings on the matter.

Also, see important answer by topinambour-rex.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

• systemd is an init system commonly used in distros like Linux Mint, Arch, Manjaro, Ubuntu, Debian, etc.

• init systems have a process id of 1 and manage services like a login manager, network, firewall service, etc.

• a process id is assigned to every process in a linux system.

the average user usually doesn't worry about the init system, although more experienced/techy users may care about it.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

I just use systemctl because I know how to use it and know all the ins and outs of any bullshit I might encounter. No way I'm switching. I like not being stumped on issues I can't fix for weeks.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

As an OpenRC user, Systemd is fine. I prefer openRC but I have systemd on my server and all its LXC containers and I have had no issues with it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

Ok, but listen, though, systemd is the embodiment of evil...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

DE wars? Get off my lawn sonny, before I chastise you for using vim.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If you think the init wars are stupid, take a look at the FSF people's (attempted) war against Libreboot and their absolute humiliation by the project leader..

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

To be fair, while it's the Libreboot creator's project and they can do whatever they want with it, I can see why people are upset that Libreboot has had the "Libre" in it's name seemingly neglected.

The FSF is an ideological organisation. It's important that they exist. It's also important that pure free software exists. Pragmatism is also important, but without any purity, the "extreme" of software freedom gets watered down, and so the window of an "acceptable" amount of proprietary-ness shifts as a new, less hardline "extreme" takes it's place, if that makes sense. We should be striving for full software freedom, even if it's currently just a dream.

Libreboot was a pure libre software project. Now it isn't. Originally, a fork called osboot was created with the new blob reduction policy. That was fine, because it was a different name that didn't mislead (also because nobody knew osboot as the fully free BIOS replacement). Then that policy became Libreboot policy. Libreboot is no longer fully libre, despite it having been exactly that for it's whole life. It had an established name as the fully free BIOS replacement. It was known for that. Hence the upset.

Also, I see Canoeboot as a success. Rowe seems to be doing it out of spite, but it's achieved what the GNU project wants. It has successfully pushed Rowe to at least provide some sort of fully free release again.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I just use whatever that does the job. Sometimes I switch to systemd free distros just to know what it's like (currently checking out dinit version of Artix)

I think most of the discrimination arises from a way of thinking which puts minimalism, simplicity and speed as the first priority and starts a unhealthy obsession over it. Sometimes keeping things too minimal can require more work than doing the actual work. This can also be seen in people who rave about WMs vs DEs and Wayland vs X.

Oh and I use XFCE btw. I feel like that's the DE which gives me enough control over everything while not bombarding me with a truck ton of settings. I started using DEs again because I was spending all my time ricing away with window managers (and none of my rices were not even that good).

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

At the level I care about, which is "I want this daemon to start when I boot up the computer", systemd is much better. I can write a ~5 line unit file that will do exactly that, and I'll be done.

With init, I needed to copy-paste a 50-line shell script that I don't really understand except that a lot of it seemed to be concerned with pid files. Honestly, I fail to see how that's better...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago
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