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I don't care whether you use GNOME, KDE Plasma, Sway or Weston, as long as you use Wayland.
My Nvidia card says no to Wayland+KDE :( incredibly laggy and unresponsive ui
There's a lot of improvements with Plasma 6 and NVIDIA 545 on my RTX 3060 Ti, so that's something to look forward to.
While you blissfully ignore it, systemd is planning the downfall of humanity. Donβt fall for its lies.
Yes, very sad. Anyway.
I, for one, welcome our new systemd overlords...
Now I want to do some PRs for systemD.
systemd isn't perfect, but it's definitely a net plus for me when compared with older init system. In case anyone's interested, this talk summarizes the key points pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
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Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
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I am not interested in being preached at unless you have a workable alternative and a good reason why should I switch over.
I don't even know what systemd is β οΈ
Oversimplified: It's the service that handles starting and stopping of other services, including starting them in the right order after boot. Many people hate it because of astrology and supersticion. Allegedly it's "bloated". But still it has become the standard on many (most?) distros, effectively replacing init.
I like init. It's simple. I like systemd as well. It's convenient. Beyond that i don't have very strong feelings on the matter.
Also, see important answer by topinambour-rex.
β’ systemd is an init system commonly used in distros like Linux Mint, Arch, Manjaro, Ubuntu, Debian, etc.
β’ init systems have a process id of 1 and manage services like a login manager, network, firewall service, etc.
β’ a process id is assigned to every process in a linux system.
the average user usually doesn't worry about the init system, although more experienced/techy users may care about it.
I just use systemctl because I know how to use it and know all the ins and outs of any bullshit I might encounter. No way I'm switching. I like not being stumped on issues I can't fix for weeks.
As an OpenRC user, Systemd is fine. I prefer openRC but I have systemd on my server and all its LXC containers and I have had no issues with it.
Ok, but listen, though, systemd is the embodiment of evil...
If you think the init wars are stupid, take a look at the FSF people's (attempted) war against Libreboot and their absolute humiliation by the project leader..
I just use whatever that does the job. Sometimes I switch to systemd free distros just to know what it's like (currently checking out dinit version of Artix)
I think most of the discrimination arises from a way of thinking which puts minimalism, simplicity and speed as the first priority and starts a unhealthy obsession over it. Sometimes keeping things too minimal can require more work than doing the actual work. This can also be seen in people who rave about WMs vs DEs and Wayland vs X.
Oh and I use XFCE btw. I feel like that's the DE which gives me enough control over everything while not bombarding me with a truck ton of settings. I started using DEs again because I was spending all my time ricing away with window managers (and none of my rices were not even that good).
At the level I care about, which is "I want this daemon to start when I boot up the computer", systemd is much better. I can write a ~5 line unit file that will do exactly that, and I'll be done.
With init, I needed to copy-paste a 50-line shell script that I don't really understand except that a lot of it seemed to be concerned with pid files. Honestly, I fail to see how that's better...
Ubuntu btw