There is no way 5090 will be launching at same price. The AI craze will be even worse and it will be banned in China from the start.
Good luck to the waiting for 5090 camp.
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They could price it at $5000 and people will buy it. Or not and they kill all consumer gpu production and sell only data center SKUs and still make bajillions.
Why would being banned in China lead to higher cost? That means less demand no?
Even if demand softens a little, they have no reason to reduce prices if people will pay even more. I suspect it'll be a 2k card at least.
Yeah they need to still hit their revenue targets to maintain the share price while losing $5B in future revenue with the China bans .
I gave up when I saw newer games either don’t work on my 5700XT or have zero official support and AyyMD have no track record of going that extra mile.
Installed World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King server-edition. Now I can enjoy that 120+ FPS on 1440p. Lul.
I will get a 5070 whenever they come out in 2026-7.
There is one new game that doesn't work well on your 4 year old 5700XT. Not great, but not exactly world shattering either.
Server edition?
The AI craze will be even worse and it will be banned in China from the start, leading to higher cost.
A ban in China creates higher supply, reducing prices.
A ban in China creates higher supply, reducing prices.
Nah, China will still get them, will just cost more to have a proxy buy them and then resell.
You realize that the dies are exported to china, assembled on a card and then exported to the rest of the world right? Taiwanese companies have moved all of their production to China. There is not much left in Taiwan. Only Gigabyte has some left.
4090 is going to have low supply for the remaining of this cycle and it's not going to be better for 5090. The cost it takes to move back the production to Taiwan, for a consumer card is too high. Sure they will assemble H100s and up in Taiwan no problem. Not a consumer grade card. The price will be passed on to the consumer.
reducing prices
Funny how increasing supply chain cost will reduce price.
Except the cards were being made in China. You might want to look at any 4090 and see if you can find one without a Foxconn label.
That's a good point, and will disrupt supply in the short term. However Nvidia has a LOT of manufacturers all over the world. Tooling up for more GPU production takes months, not years. The hard part is the processor. Nvidia has had a lot of time to prepare for this. I would be surprised if they weren't already able to plug any supply gaps.
All those who justified the price hike when 4090 first launched must be cumming so hard. For every cent prices are increased, it must be like ecstasy to them.
Reject RT, return to raster. $2000 for a GPU is just bonkers.
They were also the lowest they’ve been last month. I bought asus tuf OC for like $1500, $1700 after taxes.
lol, Nvidia could charge any amount and there would be people rushing to buy it just to claim they have the best card. You have to know how much you're willing to spend and just get whatever matches your budget. For people with no budget, they can get the X090 cards.
Oh no, now I won't buy it even harder?
They have to prepare to the 10% price rebates of Black Friday / Cyber Monday.
We could try looking at other 4090 models, but there's another disturbing trend: Most of the 4090 cards are starting to go out of stock. Is that because demand has increased? It's possible but unlikely. More probably is that the supply has dried up, either because it became too expensive to manufacture, or because something else is coming down the pipeline.
I personally wouldn't buy anything with that connector right now.
5090 prices gonna make the 4090 look like a bargain
I honestly even don't care. Make the 5090 Ti cost $10,000. If some whales want to spend that much, more power to them.
Just don't fuck with the rest of the stack and offer a reasonable 5060 type of card with a useful amount of memory so people don't have to reverse mortgage their houses to play GTA6.
Just don't fuck with the rest of the stack
LMAO!
I think people forget that the XX90 is supposed to fit a similar niche as the Titan series. It's a luxury product to suck as much money as possible from whales, it's okay that it's expensive. The XX80 though, that needs to be far more realistic.
The 5060 will cost 700usd and have the performance of a 3070
We need to accept the new world of high inflation.
This is life now. If you can't afford it, protest, fight, accept, or die.
For people with money, somewhat like my family with millions in fixed income assets are returning 5% in risk free money. That's 100k income for doing nothing but having money in CDs, bonds, etc.
Basically no matter what the Fed does now, Rates up or rates down, causes inflation.
My apartment was in a fire and I want to replace my pc that had a 3080 but it's so damn expensive these days. I feel like I'd rather just coast by using gamepass, geforce now, or steam deck. And yes I got insurance money, I'm just struggling to come to grips with gpu prices these days
3080s are generally going for $400 used. you can get even better deals if you're willing to go AMD.
Things aren't as bad as doomers like to claim. Rich redditors don't realize majority of people play on x60 class cards.
Yeah but I kinda wanna upgrade lol. I got an upgrade on everything else for the same or lesser price, couch, bed, tv, desk, desk chair, kitchen appliances. But pc is looking like I'm just gonna be replacing rather than upgrading
You can even get 3080's for 300 where I live.
That's because AMD doesn't offer anything comparable.
AMD doesn't offer anything at any price point. They just have inferior, drivers and technology. You're never gonna catch or beat Nvidia being the value card and losing every time.
Most likely scenario is that everyone in a blacklisted country is buying them up as quickly as they can get them before the new export ban goes into place. Once that happens and essentially 25% of the buyers market goes away, I would be surprised if prices didn't go back down.
Once that happens and essentially 25% of the buyers market goes away, I would be surprised if prices didn't go back down.
I keep seeing people saying this and while it would make sense at first glance do remember that Nvidia is very much aware that a big chunk of their market will be gone soon, and they've known for a while (way before us randos learned about it). If Nvidia appropriately managed their production in anticipation of this they can keep prices higher for a while. Not forever, but at least until early next year. You can also be sure they won't let the prices do down even a dollar below MSRP until the Super series is out. Can't have a "cheap" 4090 make their 4080 Super look worse.
That very well could be the case. Nvidia is well known to manipulate supply to artificially keep prices high. Look at how hard they fought to try and keep Covid pricing. It could happen, but I think it's more likely that it'll go down than not since there was a buying frenzy for blacklisted countries.
And where do you think the cards will get built ? I’m not really aware of almost any large scale place that makes video cards outside of China currently.
Unless something gets spun up quick I foresee some shortages, and possibly quality issues while the new factories figure shit out.
Taiwan probably.
Taiwan doesn't really have much large scale general electronics manufacturing on the scale of China. And a lot companies that used to manufacture there use China now.
Nvidia has exactly one Chinese supplier that has no other base of operations. They are replacing that. IIRC this is not a big issue. You can google for more details.
People have too much money to spend, and this is evidence of it. This card shouldn't really exist, it should have been the titan, and it should have been a more prosumer focused card for those who actually need 24GB VRAM. But by marketing it as a the flagship consumer card, it makes people feel inadequate if they have anything less.
it should have been the titan
It's nowhere near the full AD102 die though, "just" 88.8% of the cuda cores less than the past x80Ti:s while in the past Titans were the full die. And the L2 cache that's there to offset/help the "low" memory bandwidth is cut quite a bit as well vs the full die.
Anyways naming aside as that can be argued both ways many times, the reason ppl are buying it because nvidia made the 4080 pricing way too high relatively, not wanting a repeat of the 3080 10GB vs everything above it maybe, so it's just there to upsell you on the 4090 as it is now "better value" so to speak. Remember they were originally gonna call the 4070ti the "4080 12GB" for $900 to upsell it even more.
The 4090 isn't a full die because the pro cards based on the AD102 are selling 100x more than they were in the past. It's still absolutely huge for a consumer card.