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[–] [email protected] 162 points 9 months ago

Ad-free != Privacy

[–] [email protected] 119 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just because you're paying $10 a month does not mean that Meta will stop farming your data. Sure, they won't shove you any ads, but they will stockpile data for the day you decide that $10 (it's not really $10.. they will increase this price 2-3 years down the line once they feel they had gathered enough users, the Silicon Valley way) and then pump you with ads that cater you.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Also I'm sure they will sell your data to whoever can pay for it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They don't directly sell data, nor does Google. They analyze and use that data to sell targeted ad space.

There are data brokers that gather a ton of data and openly sell it, but Facebook isn't one of them. Their customer data and the resulting ability to sell extremely specific ad space is probably their single most valuable; why would the sell it itself when they can sell the access it grants instead?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

I think Meta very much wants to sell data.

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/facebook-to-pay-90-million-to-settle-data-privacy-lawsuit "Specifically, the plaintiffs’ alleged that Facebook used cookies and various plug-ins in order to track and save information about its users’ visits to third-party websites and then sold to advertisers."

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/privacy-and-data-security/facebook-in-payment-spat-over-725-million-privacy-settlement "Consumers sued Meta in 2018 after it became public that the British research firm had gained access to the data of at least 87 million Facebook users without their permission in connection with its work for Trump’s campaign."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

That's what they claim, but they are liars. We know from the Cambridge Analytica settlement that they let them have direct access to user data, including private messages. And they did that for over a decade. And now they say they've changed, cross my heart, and you believe them?

[–] [email protected] 76 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A pay-to-see-no-ads is not the same as pay-for-privacy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They do point out they won't use your personal info in ads if you pay, by choosing the free option you consent for personalized ads

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't mean they won't collect your info anyways. What has Meta done to prove that they are worthy of our trust? Nothing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

It pretty much makes it clear that they are absolutely going to continue collecting your data -- they just won't use it for ads. They wouldn't have needed to specify that otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Like the personal ads is the only issue :')

[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That $10 won't give you any real privacy. They will still collect every bit they can about you.

The $10 will just not give you targeted ads. Most likely, they will still select things for you based on your profile and also sell information from that profile to the real customers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Bingo. They don't give you targeted ads through their own platform, but the info is for sale for everyone else to do so.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago

No! It's actually free: Simply stop using Facebook!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Not getting killed by online mob == free lunch

What do they always say about free lunches?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Considering their ceo is Jewish and Nazis still congregate on there, probably not

[–] _haha_oh_wow_ 21 points 9 months ago

Guarantee you pay $10 and your privacy still isn't protected.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

Buts it’s probably not gonna give you any privacy, they’re still harvesting and selling your data, you just don’t see the ads on meta platforms.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is to appease regulators, it is not a viable solution for their users.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Regulators that seems to have already unformally shoot down the proposal given that it seems to be against the GDPR.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

well thats mark zuckerburg for you, but even then your data is still gonna be sold ig

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So much for the

"It's free and always will be"

I can never understand how selling one's information isn't considered a form of payment.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

This paymemt does not even stop their crappy 'recommended for you' suggested content on user's wall, which is even more annoying than the ads.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh in Europe only. Not in the US. The news article should have specified that in the title

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Nah, American news also fail to specify "only in the US" every time. So it's kind of refreshing to see the tables flipped for once.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Sure, I'll pay that - as soon as they pay me $15 per month for the data they're stealing from me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, not paying even if it's 9.99€

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I'd take it at €5 if I used Instagram a lot. The current asking price is too high though, almost like the data is worth so much to them that they put the price tag high enough that it's unreasonable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

"It's free and always will be"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I’ll give them a one time payment of $10 to fuck off