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submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

"Every day Biden chooses to fund genocide, he loses support," said Sunrise Movement.

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago

I mean, sure, but what are we gonna do, vote for Kang?

[-] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

Implement RCV, slay the 2-party system

[-] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago

Except the people who we need to implement it are rewarded by the duopoly

[-] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

I can't find Biden's position on it, but the Obama administration he served in supported RCV. Democrats generally support RCV, Republicans explicitly oppose it. Many red states have outright banned it.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

It won't happen. Here in Canada where we have a healthier multi-party system, electoral reform was a Liberal party platform right up until they got elected, where it swiftly died. There's no way the Democrats don't do the same.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Voters don't seem to care enough. While not nearly as easy in the US, Canadians could have voted the NDP in instead of the Liberals. But nope, most Canadians are very apathetic about politics, including electoral reform.

I loathe that Trudeau backpedaled on it. But the fact he faced no consequences (as in, got reelected) makes it clear that he was right. Not that many people care about it. Which is a dumb ass reason to backpedal, though, cause that's the case for most policies.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

They don’t think that far ahead.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I'm a fan of Bucklin voting in particular, allowing equal and skipped rankings along a bounded range of 0 to twice the number of candidates, every candidate default of 0. Give people an offline digital interface to do the work, they confirm it, print it, check it and it gets scanned to be counted. Undecided if I think votes should be weighted by rank or not, maybe just for tiebreaker.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago

From the perspective of realpolitik, I’m not convinced abandoning support for Israel will win him more votes from pro-Palestine groups than he loses from pro-Israel groups. Lots of moderate Americans support Israel implicitly.

Either way, it’s politically costly with no upside for him. I think Biden’s only hope on this file is for the Gaza war to end quickly before the next election, but I don’t see that happening. Looks like Israel’s plan is an indefinite multi-year occupation of Gaza under an authoritarian police state.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If you asked the average American what the difference was between Palestine, Hamas, Hezbollah and AL Queda, they wouldn't know. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but there sure are a lot of media articles that seem to be based on an American populace that doesn't match up to their logic.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

In the perspective of realpolitik, he's fucked anyways. He's down >10 points with young voters, and currently below Trump in swing states polling (just 1 so far, could be meaningless as a metric, but still relevant). DNC will support Israel because they're a major political donor. The Ds went too hard to fast early in this conflict and it's too late to backpedal. He'll have to try really hard to either try to win back the young votes, or appeal to the moderates and never-Trump Republicans.

This whole election cycle is bizarre, nobody wants neither Trump nor Biden. Their favorability is abysmal, one's about to go to jail while the other appears to be half dead. I honestly wish we had decent 3rd party infrastructure and rank choice voting, but I don't think we'll be breaking through this 2 party bs this cycle.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

If a third party stood any chance for president, this coming election would be the one. However, I wouldn't advise anyone to do so unless you really don't have the slightest preference somehow. There isn't a chance, it's just better than every other time but still 0.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Maybe looking for ceasefire? Accountability of how Isreal use billions of dollars? Maybe Nato can go there and slowly stop hamas with targetd attack?

There are a lot of options the biggest military in the world can decide on, and yet he doesn't show any sign of compassion or remorse of innocent human life.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Just FYI Israel isn't in NATO, though it is part of the Mediterranean Dialogue.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Electioneering a genocide will surely work in his favor.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I think neither will work in his favor politically. But honestly, given what I know about the American electorate, I unfortunately suspect that "pro-genocide" may be politically safer.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago

sure, they will all go vote for... the other guy with the exact same stance except even worse?

stupid claim

[-] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The third party (probably the Greens). Or not vote at all when they otherwise would have - that still means a lost vote for Biden. Young voters tend to be far less willing to accept the compromises imposed by first past the post voting systems.

The threat to Democrats is real.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Those people are stupid and will only make things worse for themselves.

If they do withhold votes which gets the Republican nominee elected, they’ll probably come to regret it if they have two brain cells to rub together.

People said for years to stop fucking around or we’ll lose abortion rights. Well….

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

A-fucking-men.

They do this shit because they know they have us by the short hairs. "What are you going to do, vote for the actual fascists? You're going to vote for Mr.Corposhill bombyMcBombsalesman and like it."

[-] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Or they will vote for no one like I've seen so many do in the past. Stupid claim.

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[-] unconsciousvoidling 18 points 8 months ago

So by not voting for Biden you’ll get trump. Trump just wants to ban all Muslims… so yea… good luck with that.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

So by taking voters for granted you lose them. Condescend more, it will never stop working.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I'm voting for Vermin Supreme. Don't know where I'll keep a pony but that's something I can worry about later.

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