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[–] [email protected] 58 points 9 months ago

Russian warship didn't fuck itself so it got helped.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Burns twice as bright for half as long.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Looking forward to the day Putin gets done like these warships he's been losing, and hopefully by the Russian people. Fucking scumbag war criminal.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

People are too afraid of Disappearing to stand up to him. Self preservation unfortunately looks at short term over long term.

You know what they say, what's good for your survival isn't good for your health.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's unfortunate, but understandable. Fear of death is a powerful motivator. That's why tyrants resort to it so frequently.

More and more news makes it sound like Russian conscripts get better treatment in Ukraine's POW camps than they do in the Russian military. Hopefully, more and more of them can find ways to lay down arms and exit the conflict to safety.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago

Fuck russia.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I'm not sure a corvette has ever counted as "major" warship.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago

I think in the context of the Black Sea fleet it's considered major. They cannot replace them so every ship counts especially missile carrying ones.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] funkless_eck 3 points 9 months ago

this sent me down a hole comparing the two. looks like in terms of relative armaments, the Rocinante isn't that different to modern day.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Russia basically has nothing for a navy anymore, any ship is going to be a major loss

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

They have a navy, but most of it is outside the Black Sea, and Turkey is not going to let it in.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You're right, it's not, but it's what the Russians have. Keep in mind that the Black Sea is basically an oversized brackish lake, but is really important to the Russians because it has warm water ports. Russians love warm water ports. They also can get things into the Mediterranean from there, but they're bottle necked at either Gibraltar or Suez for getting out into the world's oceans.

Just looking at what they have in the Black Sea, they have no ships over 10k tons displacement since the Moskva sank. There's 5 ships around 5k tons, then 12 missile corvettes of 500 to 800 tons (one of which is the Askold mentioned in OP, and it was at the higher end of that range). The rest of the combat ships are things like submarines, landing craft, anti-submarine patrol, and a few others that aren't really relevant against Ukraine.

Considering what's left there, this is big, if not major. It was the biggest of their missile boats, and limits how many cruise missiles Russia can lob into Ukraine on any given day.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Are they lost? Yes

Have they lost? Unfortunately no, they're going to throw death and suffering at this conflict they started until they get what they want or they (somehow) run out of bodies to throw.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (29 children)

They have strengthened their ability to pull from prisons too which opens up hundreds of thousands of more bodies for the front lines.

The west needs to double down and double down again in support of Ukraine.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Imagine Vietnam-era US, but it was willing to sacrifice every warm body within its borders to win.

Like the US, I think Russia is on a collision course with failure. But they're going to take it a lot farther before waving a white flag. So much so that it will take the country decades to recover.

And Ukraine won't be looking too hot at that point anymore, either.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that "every warm body" doesn't work and will be Russian undoing.

You see, in the real world you have a very limited amount of "warm bodies" to throw to begin with. Realistically speaking, only males between, say, 15 and 45, and a few women who are more fit than average. Anything else gets useless very quickly.

Unfortunately this is also the group that forms a large part of your work force. Yes, you'll have women left, but realistically you don't see women picking up garbage at night.

Russia already has a huge gap in employable people because of the bodies they threw, and the bodies that decided to bugger off and flee before the draft got to them. especially those that fled were the more intelligent ones, the (future) scientists and engineers that you need to grow your country.

Russia is FUBAR for the next 5 decades thanks to Putin

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Navy seal killer team 6

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

Heroiyam slava

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

That's not gonna buff out

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

(Sad trombone sound)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Awww how sad.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not Nice, it was in the Zalyv shipyard in Crimea.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But a sunken russian warship is a good russian warship. I mean it can't be used in this war anymore...

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think it was a joke about nice, the french city.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

oh my bad. I suck too much in geography to understand such jokes...

[–] captain_aggravated 7 points 9 months ago

It's France's fault for misspelling "Neece."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Second time I’ve seen this joke on Lemmy in like 24 hours.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Well anyway...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Jeremy Clarkson saying oh no

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