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[–] [email protected] 133 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Stayed at an Airbnb last year where I left a ~4 star review taking off one star because of excessive noise from the bus stop outside (otherwise positive). Couple months later I get an email saying my review was removed for violating Airbnb policy. Had to contact support where they told me the host had submitted (fake) WhatsApp screenshots of me asking them for money to post a positive review and so they removed my review. No matter what I said customer support refused to reinstate my review. The most alarming thing is that they removed my review without any input from me. Interestingly, the property had added additional co-hosts where that property was their only property after my stay. Presumably these are fake profiles they used to file the dispute so it wouldn’t impact their main account.

In any case, I am never staying at an AirBnb again. Be aware that any rating on AirBnb can be easily manipulated by the host.

Also if you have status at a hotel, perks like room upgrades and late checkout are invaluable.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Value proposition isn’t there anymore either, airbnbs used to be super affordable but now match the price of hotels and if they don’t are in inconvenient locations.

Not to mention the impact it has on local housing supply and pricing.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Pricing is still relevant, at least in Europe (from my experience). I've done a lot of low-budget traveling with small groups of students in France this year, and AirBnB was (unfortunately) consistently and significantly less expensive than hotels.

Also, many hotels don't give you access to a kitchen, which really sucks if you don't want to spend money eating out every day.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Unfortunately, the pricing still makes sense for larger groups of people.

There are far too many of these leeches taking up valuable housing in the most desirable part of my city

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Be aware that any rating on AirBnb can be easily manipulated by the host.

This is the same reason that Yelp is bullshit. And Amazon reviews. And pretty much any reviews you can find online. It's why people used the reddit search flag. Everything is gamed and manipulated. People suck.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

now we can't even us reddit anymore

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Which is why reddit has been a target for gorilla marketing campaigns for a while now. I only trust review sites that I follow now

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Dang so all I have to do to scam is have another WhatsApp account and send myself threatening messages 😯

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Hotels are quite heavily regulated in all parts of their operation, many have unionized staff. AirBNB owners are wannabe landlords with no oversight.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have to take issue with your assertion about hotel staff being unionized (although I recognize that could be true for your region). I've worked in hotels before and the reason they stay "cheap" is because they pay the cleaning and non-customer-facing staff the absolute bare minimum.

I'm coming from Midwestern America which certainly colors this experience, but in my case the housekeeping staff was made up almost exclusively of non-native English speakers. They were paid minimum, or close to it, and had room quotas that left them with 15-20 to "clean" a room.

On the events side of the business, the guys who set up tables and chairs were almost exclusively young, poor black men. The hotel only ran the air conditioning in those ballrooms when guests were present so it was regularly 80-85 f in those rooms with minimum wage staff doing manual labor.

Please understand I don't have any love for the investment vehicle model that has taken over air-bnb, but hotels are by far the most disgusting socioeconomic workplace I've been in. I really don't have the money for air-bnb, but I'll certainly take some person paying off their rental over large corporation exploiting unskilled workers and immigrants.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The last time I used Airbnb, we rented 2 rooms in a guy's house for a few days. At first, the guy seemed okay, only a minor reminder about leaving dishes out. I left a fairly positive review, but when it came time for his review of us he implied we were racist for not keeping eye contact and conversation with his roommate. I never saw the roommate, and my husband is the kind of introvert who doesn't initiate conversations, especially when alone. It was ridiculous. We were also told that we had access to the rooms, bathroom, and kitchen and not to go into any other part of the house.

I'll stick with hotels.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Didn't know that my autism made me racist too. Damn.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

AirBNB was great when it first started out. It was basically people renting out a room in their home for a night or two, for far cheaper costs than hotels and in areas where a hotel wasn't as readily available. It was a good way for those folks to make some cash on the side and helped the traveler find convenient low cost housing for a couple nights

Unfortunately companies and people decided they could buy up properties and start a business selling out rooms, prices skyrocketed and it no longer became worth it. I just stick to hotels now (or hostels if I ever decide to backpack through Europe or something)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The last few times I've used AirBNB it's been a pretty much like borrowing someones home.

For one we were travelling in Portugal and stayed in this old portugese lady's home in a small village along the coast. Really sweet lady, but a bit of a language barrier as she struggled with both english and spanish.

Next weekend me and some friends are renting a whole 4 bedroom summer house in southern Norway to use as a base for a weekend of diving.

But in general I've grown tired of the concept, and the scarcity it brings to the housing market in some cities is predatory.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Tiny soapbox time: I don't trust AirBNB hosts to actually treat for bedbugs if they get them. I figure a reputable hotel chain at least has a fighting chance of taking it seriously.

[–] eletes 23 points 1 year ago

Dodged bed bugs at an airbnb in LA earlier this year. When we made the report it didn't allow us to comment on the listing. So somebody else could possibly run into the same issue without resolution

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I will take a hotel for it's convenience, service, and predictability any day.

Beds are comfy 99% of the time, there's an ice machine, and my god I'll take any opportunity for room service/being waited on.

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[–] pec 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

In Montreal an Airbnb cought fire and killed 6 guests and one tenant because the owner converted a house to multiple Airbnb ignoring all regulation (including fire marshal rules)

English article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-old-port-fire-1.6788756

The province ended up banning Airbnbs but I don't know the details of the bag

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Airbnbs were already illegal in the old port before that event. The company still allowed them to be posted. I'm quite sure the province didn't ban them too, there are still legal postings. Unfortunately, not much happened after this event. Media pressure made it so that Airbnb closed a bunch of illegal ads, but without legislation and enforcement its only temporary.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I agree that hotels are generally better than Airbnb, I have always had really good luck with Airbnb. I traveled across the EU staying almost only in Airbnb's and it was great. It also let me kind of see what the housing market was there if I ever wanted to move. Also one of my hosts in Amsterdam firmly believed in the "bed and breakfast" portion of Airbnb, and cooked breakfast in her kitchen for us every morning and had all kinds of great info about the city. Plus she had an old orange cat that liked to sit at the breakfast table with us.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I have almost always had good luck. Just one bad experience comes to my mind - my host in Germany was a psychopath. I didn't have any problems with her, in fact I hardly ever met her during a one week stay. But I forgot the heating on when I left. She got so pissed off that she left a long, insulting review, where she said shit about how we never got along. Airbnb refused to delete the review, so I deleted my account. By the way, I don't pay $200 for a night. I take the cheapest $20 room that I can find.

Anyway, I created a new Airbnb account. The nice thing is that I was able to use a referral link from my wife again to get the referral bonus. So by deleting and recreating my account, I actually made $50.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Also at a hotel: “It smells like smoke.” “Let me take you conveniently to another identical room for free.”

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Or any problem, really. I once had to move rooms twice because the AC wasn't working. In an Airbnb, you're boned

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Isn't the point of AirBnB to be way cheaper?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was, when it was just people looking to get a tiny bit of income from renting a room in their house. Then people tried to make it their sole income, and then companies got into the game. Part of it is that the service became popular, so any cheaper rooms are snatched up instantly, and the user now gets to choose between a hotel-looking hotel, or a house-looking hotel, with nasty fees to get more money from you.

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[–] Voroxpete 30 points 1 year ago

In theory. If you actually take the time to check hotel prices, you'll often find plenty of options in the same price range as ABNB.

It really depends what you're looking for. ABNB is good if you're heading out into the sticks and looking to rent a whole house. If you're in a city for a few days and need a room to stay in, hotels are often the better option.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (25 children)

I'm just here to say fuck air bnb. Ban that shit for it's contribution to the housing crisis.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

AirBNB is only good if it is an extremely unique/convenient location and there are no hotels reasonably nearby. Otherwise Hotel absolutely > AirBNB

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

225 a night hotel would be a freaking dream. Most hotels cost 100 a night. I agree a cabin in the woods our somewhere else special.

But landlords are putting up ordinary homes up and people actually rent them. More money then sense.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It depends on what your after. If you take family (kids and dogs) then an AirBNB is useful and easier than hotel. When you book always read the reviews. YMMV

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Hotels are great if you need 1 bed and nothing else. But hotels get expensive fast if you need an extra room for a kid. Or you take a pet. Or you need to wash your clothes. Or you would like a kitchen.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Airbnb is great for groups. It's basically the only time I use it. Getting a whole two bedroom apartment for an affordable price is really nice.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mostly use it when:

  • I need 2 or more rooms.
  • I need an apartment for a week or so.

But I never used it as a replacement of a regular hotel double room.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

AirBnB is a decent option if you want to hang out with a larger friend group, like 10 people in an apartment is more fun than 10 people divided into 5 hotel rooms.

otherwise just get a hotel

also hotels don't fucking ruin city centers

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Hotels don't make you clean their rooms spotless before you leave or have a random pile of hidden fees either, those things always spoils the mood. Plus, you also get to see your points go up if you stay in a hotel.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm very worried AirBNB type services will replace standard renting in the same way Uber almost replaced taxis. So many reasons to avoid them.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

They won't. A ton of traditional hotel business is business travel. No reputable company is sending an employee to a VRBO while they're working out of town.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This was a possibility at a time when AirBNBs were significantly cheaper than hotels but now that prices have gone way up I'm right back to going for hotels. Not worth going through the trouble of not knowing what to expect / what kind of renter you'll be dealing with when there's no price incentive anymore.

Uber is still significantly cheaper and more convenient than a cab for me.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Fuck airbnb

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I did AirBNB once and it was probably the last time.

Wife really wanted to stay there as someone suggested to not stay on the main strip. So we got this cabin up a mountain. When I say up a mountain I really mean that. Unbelievably steep and the car barely made it. Room was to have a hot tube, sauna, and cable TV. After a 10 hour drive we get there up the craziest road I’ve ever driven and decide to just relax and watch some TV and microwave some food we picked up.

Microwave didn’t work, well shit, let’s heat it up on the stove top and turn the TV on. Remote doesn’t have batteries. Well fuck let’s eat and sit in the hot tub. Hot tub is broken. Well what about the sauna. Well it’s the size of a shoe box and looks like death trap. Decide to just go to sleep and get going early.

Wake up go do some sight seeing and pick up some batteries for the remote. We get back to the cabin and hear a hissing sound. Water line had burst behind the fridge and I can’t find the shut off valve as it’s locked behind a door. Call the guy and he tells me a emergency plumber will be stopping by late. While we are waiting we try the TV’s again and one of them won’t even turn on the other will but it’s locked and can’t watch anything. Plumber shows up at 11:30pm. Fixes it about 12:30 am.

Next day just eating a bagel and I walk by the sink and the floor partially collapses. I let the guy we are renting the room know what I think about his place and we leave a day early and get a hotel room. Room was slightly nicer and everything worked. Was 2 mins walk away from what we were going to and perfectly quiet and we didn’t have to spend 15 mins on death road.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm in the ghetto right now in a cheap motel but the room is actually kinda nice. Like fresh paint and carpet.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Ahh, the murder room. Sleep tight.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've stayed at several AirBNB's and really never had a problem at all. But it may depend on the country you're visiting.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I wonder if people are just bad at picking air bnbs. I reject probably 95% of the ones I see. I can imagine having a bad experience if you choose the bad ones.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Also Airbnb tends to kill communities by making it way too expensive for people to actually live there and sleeping in a complete stranger's house does not sound too safe.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I didn't actually mind abnb until they started raising prices to match hotels. I mean that's their whole point isn't it? Cheap lodging.

I don't mind cleaning after myself and following some reasonable rules as long as I can stay there for cheap (compared to a hotel anyways).

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