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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Fell down a hole implies that the hole is vertical and going downwards

[–] threelonmusketeers 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In that case, does "I fell in a hole" imply that the hole is horizontal and going sideways?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

That's how my best friend accidently got my girlfriend pregnant.

Tie your damn shoelaces people!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Is there a similar implication for stairs when people fall down them?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

See also "fell into a hole".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

To me, if you partially fall into a hole, ie. foot falls into a small pothole, you've fallen in it but not down it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If I'm walking around in a hole and stumble, I've also fallen in a hole (but not into/down)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Yes, although I think that's parsed differently-- you've [fallen] [in a hole] not [fallen in] [a hole]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Yeah. I feel like fell down implies you travelled some not insignifcant distance while falling.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well this changes that Alice In Chains song for me 🕳️

But this is something that makes English both frustrating and fascinating!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

All language is like this. It's a large part of why communication is actually very difficult.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This is awesome. I only know some of one other language but am not as fluent in it. This is good to know, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Out of curiosity, shouldn't there be a comma after the "or" in the third panel?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Grammatically, no, because "or" is a coordinating conjunction (for, and, nor, but, or, yet, so), and coordinating conjunctions are a way to join two independent clauses, like a semicolon. They are used after an independent clause and a comma, and they are followed by another coordinating conjunction.

Here's two independent clauses: I got scratched by a cat. I'm sad.

Here's a way to join them with a semicolon: I got scratched by a cat; I'm sad. The semicolon replaces the period.

Here's a way to join them with a coordinating conjunction: I got scratched by a cat, so I'm sad. The , so replaces the semicolon/period.

Note that I got scratched by a cat so, I'm sad is incorrect, because to join two independent clauses, you're supposed to put the comma first and then the conjunction, in that order. Colloquially, people will often omit the comma entirely, to reflect pronunciation I guess. But as far as I can tell, people don't generally pronounce a pause between the coordinating conjunction and the following independent clause, so they don't put a comma there either.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I really appreciate this comment and enjoy that I learned something today.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I'm so glad it didn't come off as passive-aggressive or rude. Thank you for this message. I hope you have a truly wonderful day, my friend.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

No I don't think it's necessary at all, unless the author wanted to emphasise a pause there