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[–] [email protected] 73 points 10 months ago (3 children)

A McCarthy like witch hunt is taking place in the US. With people being bullied, threatened and punished for expressing support for Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm Jewish clergy, which makes it even harder for me to express my thoughts on Israel and it's government. I worked for a proudly stated Zionist congregation, and I know without a doubt that if I had been honest with my thoughts on the Israeli government, I'd have been fired on the spot.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

I’m Jewish clergy, which makes it even harder for me to express my thoughts on Israel and it’s government

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

That sucks. Y’all anti Zionist Jewish folks seem to be getting hit rough on both ends of this and it ain’t right.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's very sad that someone with such an ironclad defense against charges of antisemitism is afraid to speak out. Not that I blame you a bit for keeping quiet—I keep my criticism very muted IRL and I have a lot less blowback to worry about.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

I remember how people reacted to Bernie Sanders speaking in defense of Palestine. A lot of people want to act like Israel and the Jewish people of the world are one and the same and like they obviously aren’t.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think there's a pretty key difference between expressing sympathy and support for Palestinians, which I've seen plenty of from all kinds of people - including most recently literally Obama - and looking at the murder of over a thousand civilians and saying "this is fine and justified".

I've seen little to no criticism of people who have merely expressed simple support and sympathy, and much more criticism of people doing apologia for the intentional murder of children. If that were to change, I would be greatly concerned, but that's not really what I've been seeing.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Speaking at a UN general debate on the Middle East in New York, Guterres created fury when he said: “It is important to … recognise the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum. The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation.”

He also said no injustice to the Palestinians could justify the appalling attacks by Hamas

Israel's response is deny visas to UN reps. You've had your head in the sand

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Yep, I saw that, and Israel is being stupidly hard-headed, which is hardly unusual. I'm by no means saying that they're perfect at all, and I'd actually agree that the contextual resentment and anger that Palestinians have towards Israel is justified, even if the terrorism is not.

He also said no injustice to the Palestinians could justify the appalling attacks by Hamas

I would agree with that, and I think most people would. Again, I'm by no means saying that the IDF is remotely perfect or that they're not being too harsh in their response, but there's a meaningful difference between collateral damage in an extremely dense urban environment and storming a village to shoot every civilian you can find, up to and including children. That is something that I would say can never be justified, ever.

Again, this is not to say that the IDF shouldn't be criticized for the severity of its retaliation, just to be explicitly clear.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Workman told The Intercept that the intention was an intra-community message that spoke to Israel’s 75-year violent regime over Palestine and expressed support for Palestinians’ basic human rights.

Workman was ousted as student body president; had a job offer rescinded by a firm they previously interned at, Winston & Strawn; and received a litany of threats online.

“This is an unprecedented moment of anxiety and fear for everyone speaking out publicly in support of Palestinians, who are compelled to do so to stop an unfolding genocide in Gaza,” Palestine Legal Director Dima Khalidi told The Intercept.

Last week, at least four websites circulated the personal information of Harvard students affiliated with groups that signed the statement, including their full names, past jobs, and hometowns.

Beyond their own consequences, Workman told The Intercept, “I am concerned that this backlash against me and other people who have spoken out as well will have this chilling effect that allows for this unbalanced and dangerous media narrative to continue in which violence against Palestinian civilians is normalized.”

“What I wrote was inspired by, and in line with, what many Jewish peace activists and Israelis,” they said, “including the editorial board of Israel’s largest newspaper, have voiced over the past week in response to the violence.”


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