this post was submitted on 04 Jul 2023
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Edit: obligatory explanation (thanks mods for squaring me away)...

What you see via the UI isn't "all that exists". Unlike Reddit, where everything is a black box, there are a lot more eyeballs who can see "under the hood". Any instance admin, proper or rogue, gets a ton of information that users won't normally see. The attached example demonstrates that while users will only see upvote/downvote tallies, admins can see who actually performed those actions.

Edit: Obligatory RIP my inbox.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That said, don't just call people out who downvote you. No one owes you an explanation if they thought your post was bad. I've already seen it once and it was pretty childish.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

So if one downvotes something and then removes that vote, does doing that removes it saying they downvoted or does it still keep it on record?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I had to run an experiment on this one.

It appears that changing you vote causes the old vote to be completely deleted from the database and a new vote cast and propagated.

Edit: The above description is what happens in the COMMENT_LIKE or POST_LIKE table HOWEVER the ACTIVITY table reflects both actions, which makes sense since it's a complete transaction log. So, it's a slightly more complex query but the history is maintained.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There is a fundamental misunderstanding here.

Our data has never been 'invisible'... We've just trusted that places like Reddit and their staff will do the right thing. That's literally how it already works.

If you sign up for Reddit, Reddit staff can see your posts and votes if they want to.

If you sign up for a private forum the admin there can also see database contents.

One way encryption is not possible without stopping functionality... If data about you was encrypted then posts you make couldn't be displayed. If you include a means to decrypt then there was no point encrypting anyway.

This is how it's always been, and Lemmy doesn't change this status quo much.

A faceless corporation that has had access to your data is just replaced by a variety of admins distributed across instances.

This isn't a good or bad thing, the potential for abuse does exist, but when we have literally made agreements with places like Reddit that they can use and sell our data... then what difference does it make it an admin takes a peek?

It wouldn't be great... but nothing is perfect.

It's still worth working on however, to see if a better solution can be found, but at this time I'd say just be aware that it is possible that your data can be seen and understand the only safeguard against that if you need to communicate something private would be to use direct messaging with end to end encryption.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Oh no, so my upvotes on c/spacedicks aren't private?

/s

[–] Lucidlethargy 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So this is interesting... I thought only kbin visualized voting. Does this mean Lemmy's users are also tracked on kbin?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about private messages? We should assume the person running the instance can read all private messages.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. While I see no reason that private message would exist anywhere other than the instance of the sender and receiver, the admins of those instances CAN see the contents of the message and whether or not they have been read.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've always assumed private messages on any site can be read by the site's admin unless they are end-to-end encrypted.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Is it just user activity that's public? Curious to know about what is preserved on the backend, like if user removed posts/etc get stored somewhere accessible like this too.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Deleted items just get marked as 'removed', the content remains in the database. I can see the comment you deleted on https://lemmy.world/post/955546.

Overwrites appear to replace the original content. I can see when you edited this comment but can't see what the edit was.

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